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Mumbai Terror Attack: What The World Is Saying

Niranjan Rajadhyaksha - Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:07 AM

Indian newspapers have taken the lazy way out and looked at what the same handful of newspapers in the US and the UK have had to say about the terror attack in Mumbai. And that is passed off as what the international media has been saying.

Here are gleanings from a more representative group. This is being written on Saturday morning, after Indian commandos have taken control of the Taj hotel.

Update: The wave of comments in response to this blog post show how angry and bitter citizens are. And one of the targets of their ire is the entire political class. It is cruel irony that Mumbai's politicians were trying to outdo each other, just days before the mayhem, on the silly issue of what type of snack best represents the culture of Maharashtra. Please read this blog post on Mumbai's vada pao battles that was written just a few hours before the killing began.

I will update this blog as I come across more international newspaper opinion. Readers are welcome to point me to anything interesting they come across.

1. The Jerusalem Post does not pull any punches, saying it is a clash of civilizations.

"The bloodbath reminds us that, though Muslim extremism is often traceable to some local grievance, it's in essence part of a larger conflict between civilizations. Islamists are violently affronted when Hindus, Jews, Buddhist or Christians are sovereign over a Muslim minority."

 "Israelis feel at one with the people of India, especially at times like these. Both countries are modern incarnations of ancient civilizations. We share common political values, overlapping security concerns and a growing commerce."

"Israelis have long argued that no political grievance, no perceived injustice and no religious creed can ever justify waging war against civilians. Others have sometimes made excuses for "resistance" movements."

 

2. The Asahi Shimbun vacillates, but also frames the issue in religious terms.

"The situation of India, which is frequently targeted by terrorists, is becoming increasingly complex. But one thing is clear. At the root of the problem is religious antagonism within the country. Hindus make up 80 percent of India's population of more than 1.1 billion, of which slightly more than 13 percent are Muslims.

In conflicts stemming from religious antagonism in India, Muslims have often been the victims. While India's economy has grown rapidly, its Muslim society has been left behind, and the gap with Hindu society is widening.

India first needs to squarely face these problems, which provide a breeding ground for extremists, and promote social harmony.

We cannot overlook the fact that the incidents occurred at a time when India and Pakistan were moving to improve relations."

3. The People's Daily is silent right now, but I will update as soon as it offers its opinion.

4. Dawn says in a careful editorial that India and Pakistan should fight terror jointly.

"If India believes that Pakistan is compounding that problem in its neighbour’s territory, then it is in the interest of every Pakistani to know what is going on. The Indian prime minister or any other official should come forward with names, identities, phone records, bank statements or any other proof that shows a Pakistani connection. After all it is in our interest to unearth and destroy sponsors of yet more terrorism in our midst. But without a sensible approach from the Indian side, Pakistan is bound to bristle and react defensively, sparking a new round of blame and counter-blame. Following the attacks on the Indian parliament in December 2001, the cycle nearly ended up in a catastrophic war between the two countries. The only winners in the event of an escalation in hostility between India and Pakistan will be the terrorists in both countries. But Pakistan cannot afford to be smug as India suffers. We have a grave problem of militancy and the attacks in Mumbai are a grim reminder of the endless possibilities of terror."

5. Beirut Daily Star says Islam would never condone the acts of barbarity in Mumbai.

"The atrocity that occurred on the streets of Mumbai will unfortunately add to the pressures that ordinary Muslims around the world must face in this age of the global "war on terrorism." There will be those who will point to the attacks as "proof" that Islam is part and parcel with intolerance and barbarity. Muslims will again be forced to correct the ignorance that assumes the worst about Islam by ignoring a simple truth: that no religion in the world would condone such acts of depravity, least of all Islam."

 6. The Mail & Guardian in South Africa says it is an attack on globalised India and "on all of us".

"This was not just an attack on the India that continues to face off with Pakistan over the future of Kashmir or with the Maharashtran Hindu chauvinists who have in the past orchestrated pogroms against Muslims. It was an attack on globalised India, which is to say an attack on the world we all live in now, a world where rich countries are increasingly dependent on goods and services produced in developing countries, where new flows of trade, capital and ideas are radically altering social relations, for better and for worse.

To see these attacks simply as products of India's long war with Pakistan or its internal divisions would be a disastrous oversimplification. They are attacks on all of us. That realisation should not only deepen our anger and sadness, it should remind us too that the project of combating terrorism and its roots is not just for American imperialists, it is a global imperative that is desperately in need of new and more effective solutions."

8. Der Spiegel has not written its editorial as yet. But Gregor Peter Scmitz writes from Washington that the terror attack is Barack Obama's first test.

"The crisis could be Obama's first big foreign policy test. The world is going to dissect his response."

Update: Sunday, 10 am. Still no editorial from Der Spiegel, but the German newspaper has carried an opinion piece by Claus Christian Malzahn saying that India is pointing in the right direction.

"It is still not clear who exactly carried out the terror attacks in Mumbai this week. But the actions speak for themselves. The murderers expressly went after Britons, Americans and Jews. In the world's largest democracy, attacks were carried out by a determined minority against the will of an overwhelming majority. The crimes bear the clear and bloody fingerprints of militant, political Islamism."

He also steers clear of the view that the root cause of terror attacks in India is Muslim alienation.

"The attacks struck the heart of an Indian civil society that has always functioned fairly well, despite recurring conflicts between the country's Hindu majority and Muslim minority. The terror struck a country that is closely allied, politically and economically, with the West. The terrorists' mission can be neatly summarized: political, economic and cultural destabilization of the whole subcontinent."

He does not spare Pakistan either.

"... a lack of evidence does not mean Pakistan had nothing to do with the well-planned attacks.

On the contrary: The Indian embassy in Kabul was made the target of a bloody attack earlier this summer. Western intelligence services have traced the attackers in that case back to the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI. Pakistani groups in the past have often been responsible for terror attacks in India. Of course, there are also "homegrown" jihadists in India as well. But in Pakistan, above all in its tribal area near the border with Afghanistan, these fighters have the territory they need to plan the spread of their war beyond its local confines."

9. The Sydney Morning Herald calls for solidarity with India.

".. this week's atrocity bears the hallmarks of the global jihad that brought us the September 11, 2001 attacks and the Bali, London and Madrid bombings. Targets included transport infrastructure, five-star hotels and restaurants frequented by westerners, as well as a Jewish centre. The assailants were young men, heavily armed and well trained. It is not yet known if they were imported for this purpose or were home-grown terrorists. India has known both in the 62 years since independence. At times, Pakistan has done its best to pour fuel on India's internal fires, and India's Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, has been quick to warn of serious consequences if the latest attacks are linked to neighbouring countries

"It is to be hoped that a rush to judgment - egged on by India's highly competitive news media - will be avoided."

 10. Canada's National Post too takes the ridiculous "root-causes" line, but points fingers at Pakistan and Bangladesh as well.

"Among India's one billion inhabitants are nearly 140 million Muslims, many of whom feel politically and economically disenfranchised. Some, especially in the majority-Muslim state of Kashmir, share the radicalized agenda of Islamist terrorist groups in neighbouring countries. With Muslim Pakistan and Muslim Bangladesh bookending India -- both nations full of groups with axes to grind against the government in New Delhi -- a likely scenario is that local terrorists, urged on and financed by foreign elements, were behind Wednesday's killings."

 

 

 

 

 

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From V.B.N.Ram

November 29, 2008 11:52 AM
My brief response to the comments from DAWN During the six decade long sub-continental history, there have been innumerable occasions, when precise details of Pak complicity have been provided to Islamabad. Such details have included , identities of terror masterminds / outfits their sources of funding, bank accounts, phone nos and in many cases, such as Dawood Ibrahim, his exact residence address in Karanchi. Hence Dawn's contention is unfounded. However, I agree with this newspaper, that in the scenario as it exists, India and Pakistan should cooperate and collaborate to combat terror

From francis

November 29, 2008 11:54 AM
Islam is a disease and muslims are the victims of that disease. Islam is not compatiable with Decocrasy, it never was and never will be, period.

From sami

November 29, 2008 12:13 PM
I want to be at side of Mr. V.B.N.Ram, and hope dawn can coordinate with the concerned people to bring out the terror masterminds like dawood ibrahim whose address has been given by Mr. V.B.N. ram.

From Asad

November 29, 2008 12:31 PM
Do not forget the big picture. Indian intelligence and security agencies have failed in anticipating such an attack. Its time now that fair justice be provided to people of Kashmir and above all victims of Gujrat. India is the only country that lets terrorist organisations such Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) to operate freely. Its time that Inida and pakistan both ban such organizations and let us become moderates and let us rise and shine together.

From VIPIN VIJAY

November 29, 2008 12:40 PM
I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THE NEWS OF THE ATTACKED. AND ONE QUESTION IS IN MY MIND , HOW IT POSSIBLE WITH OUT CHECKING THE PEOPLES ENTERING IN INDIA?. I PRAYING FOR INDIANS

From Santosh

November 29, 2008 12:43 PM
The government of India, and all the political parties of India without exception are to be held responsible for failing to prevent the tragic incident of 26/11. Each and every political leader in this country surrounds themselves with the elite NSG or such other commandos at the expense of the common man. No terrorist will ever attempt to harm these people, as it is the deeds of these very people which make it easier for the terrorists to strike at will at soft targets. No other country in this modern world would have let Pakistan off the hook after the attack on its Parliament! Those inept ones who were in power at that time are the ones who are shouting at the top of their voices that the present government does not have the will power to take strong action against the forces that are out to destabilize this country! Do not forget that these very people accompanied hard-core terrorists who were serving prison sentences for their atrocities against this country to the Mecca of Terrorists and exchanged them for the hostages. The Politicians of India has only one agenda; safeguard their own interests. Unfortunately, a large majority of the people of this country goes on swallowing whatever these politicians vomit and allows themselves to be ruled over and exploited by these very people. Just look at the assets of the large majority of our politicians. All these crooks have managed to amass wealth in excess of tens of crores! Yet, without shame, they claim to be serving the people whose wealth they have looted!

From Pritam Singh

November 29, 2008 12:50 PM
the politision who R in favour of the foreigner(pakistani/bangladashi)to allow them to live in our as a citizen of it.... is like give a fuel to burning fire(raise of terrorism in India)they shoud be thrown out of the country at the earliest or shoud take necessary action against them and no foreigner shoud be allowed to live in india proper documentaion and all(full prove to be an indian).....It is the time for the general public(Indina)to raise up a voice agaist the terrorism and to appeal the GOI (Govt. Of India)to take necessary step/action in respond of the neighbouring terror attack....if requird, then declare a war agaisnt them.... but they should be taught a lesson for this kind of panic attack/horror to our land. PTITAM SINGH (DIMAPUR, NAGALAND)

From Pritam Singh

November 29, 2008 1:01 PM
the politision who R in favour of the foreigner(pakistani/bangladashi)to allow them to live in our country as a citizen of it.... is like give a fuel to burning fire(raise of terrorism in India)they shoud be thrown out of the country at the earliest or shoud be takeen a necessary action against them and no foreigner shoud be allowed to live in india without proper documentaion and all(full prove to be an indian).....It is the time for the general public(Indina)to raise up a voice agaist the terrorism attack and to appeal the GOI (Govt. Of India)to take necessary step/action in respond of the neighbouring terror attack....if requird, then declare a war agaisnt them.... but they should be taught a lesson for this kind of panic attack/horror to our land. PTITAM SINGH (DIMAPUR, NAGALAND)

From Dogged

November 29, 2008 1:06 PM
As/Dawn, if India has details like telephone intercept and the exact geographical location of the 'Dons', then it is better to drop a guided missile on the address, hoping it will be heard. I have always felt we could have let loose our fighter supersonics into Kandahar and knocked down the escape vehicle after securing our aircraft and runway. This attack on Mum is not the end of it. Expect worse in times to come. Is the solution only political? Manmohan wants Pakis to prevent attacks on Indian soil...what a joke.

From Saphire

November 29, 2008 1:39 PM
When it is 9/11 the same guys react more against the terrorist and when it is 26/11 then India is inadvertantly blamed , because they think they can. This clearly shows how mean mindedly people react and they will continue until they really face such situation by themselves.This clearly shows character of comment. Why cant people call a wrong thing as wrong, and freely state that any one who is directly or directly supporting such act of terrrorism must be punished with out the restrictions as per United Nations laws I can tell you wait for 2015 and these opinions change

From VINAY Blore

November 29, 2008 1:52 PM
ITS TIME TO CHANGE LAW.... "Punish the terror in between Public, Cut their each n every part of body so that it can be a Lesson to another" Thought of doing this.....But My friends its worng.... Did u every think why they attacking on India... Coz their country is in Lack of Love.. which they r finding in India but they dont know hw to find coz the teacher they meet Guided them in worng Way.... WE LOVE U TERROR... Do u think that we get fear of crackers no we INDIAN r strong... SO we live in free sapce with sholder up... Hw Do u leave????? Kind request Not Hurt or Harm COMMON MAN...else once a common man wakeup hold weapen u wont find bit place to hide, Ur in my country only Bcoz of HINDU-Muslim support,so avoid it... Bcoz of ur action MY FRIEND WHO R MUSLIM R FACING PROBLEMS... Ur trying to overtake all muslim by growing Volience in INDIA... Dear we wont allow u to do it so easy... WE R HEAR TO GIVE LOVE.... bcoz we belive "LOVE ALL SERVE ALL" WE SPREAD LOVE WHAT DO U SPREAD TERRORs..?

From Swami

November 29, 2008 2:04 PM
After the 11/9 incident, we dont see a single incident in US because of the Patriot Law enacated by BUSH. Here we are seeing worst policiticians and politizising everything. Even they can not unite for a moment to condemn the incident.

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From devdas

November 29, 2008 2:10 PM
who behind the mumbai terror attack is very clear that the ISI and RSS are behind, because they are only the beneficiaries. That is the reason they targeted the ATS chief Mr. Hemant Karkare in between the attack. No religion behind the terrorism. All terrorist are hired by some bad Politicians or Organizations.

From rajesh

November 29, 2008 2:16 PM
Readers thank you for widening their perspective by reviewing the summary which you have painstakingly prepared. The episode has reinforced that Indians are reactive, and though courageous, lack any understanding of the concept called planning. There apppears to be a total void or lack of appreciation of strategy, planning and implementation at highest level in so far as handling of episode is concerned...it is only the brave jawans who saved the situation at the cost of the lives of their colleagues. Hats off to them. Only good luck would save the young Indians who are vulnerable to such frequently occuring attacks. Pity they will have to live with incompetent governance and empty leadership. Let us hope, at least one of them would rise to the occasion and acquire a stature that would make the country safer for its subjects. We have no option but to believe in God, as none else can posssible save us.

From Guru

November 29, 2008 2:20 PM
I agree with Saphire, after the 11/9, the whole world united and supported USA and spoke very strong against TERROR. But when it came to India, see all news papers talks about Muslims, Hindus and tollerence. It is not fair. We, Indians, wants to live in peace and as a neighbour, Pakistan is in total Jealous on India's growth and they want to obstruct the growth process. With Hindus as majority, we are the only country extending reservation quota for the Muslim community development. Even in pakistan, where the Hindus are living as minorities, they dont enjoy any benefits like what the Muslim are enjoying here. But still they create problem. There are millions of Good hearted Muslims in India or elsewhere, but becasue of these terrorists, a general opinion is getting created on them as terrorists. So, it is the responsibilites of all Muslims around the world to sanitize the black sheeps within themselves....

From united666

November 29, 2008 2:22 PM
Islam is not a disease. and Islam has got nothing to do with the mumbai attacks. if a group christian or buddhist men attacked mumbai. will you say that all christians/buddhist are terrorist? please think first before u say something...

From Mayur

November 29, 2008 2:22 PM
let me let you in on a secret...the mumbai police comissioners post is auctioned to the highest bidder...and apparently..the comissioner earns 15 lakh per day from his corruption network.Just walk into a police station anywhere with a problem and you'll know what I mean.And by the way our police is governed according to laws passed 5 years after the uprising of 1857.You dont believe me?Search for yourself.And one more thing....I dont believe that pakistan story.and moreover...nothing will change.HOw many corruption cases against politicians have resulted in conviction?None.The share market is nothing but the politicians black money routed through mauritius tax free.WHat a country.And you want foreign investment?I can only laugh and smoke my pipe.

From Jayanta

November 29, 2008 2:31 PM
Lets be very clear that this was not an act of terror but an act of war, and situation demands that it be treated as such. But the current ruling party has such a void in leadership, that it is not able to take any strong decisions, especially in the wake of elections and muslim vote bank calculations. Unfortunately, this is what the governance in the country has reduced to - no long time vision, but only short time populism of minority appeasement. The need of the hour is a leader who can call a spade a spade, irrespective of international opinion if required - not a puppet on a chain. The sheer tenacity, doggedness and patience with which the Indian Armed Forces had captured/killed the mercenaries was highly commendable and has undoubtedly shown better leadership maturity in the time of crisis.

From G S Thayriam

November 29, 2008 2:42 PM
It was a heartbreaking news to hear about the recent terror attack. Without the support of the Indians terrorists from other country can not come and attack us so easily. We all need to be united not as Hindus , Muslims and Christians but as Indians. our mother India is witnessing the worse attacks and our political leaders are politicizing the problems. we must stand in unity to fight against terrorism for it doesnt attack the evil doers but the innocent people.

From G S Thayriam

November 29, 2008 2:43 PM
It was a heartbreaking news to hear about the recent terror attack. Without the support of the Indians terrorists from other country can not come and attack us so easily. We all need to be united not as Hindus , Muslims and Christians but as Indians. our mother India is witnessing the worse attacks and our political leaders are politicizing the problems. we must stand in unity to fight against terrorism for it doesnt attack the evil doers but the innocent people.

From Mayur

November 29, 2008 2:45 PM
Let me tell you a well known fact...all the politicians have used the hawala network of Dawood and co to transfer money to their swiss bank accounts.Dawood will never be caught leave alone brought back to stand trial.If that happens,there will be anarchy.And all those of you out there who believe all the stories of GDP,quarterly statements and other such rubbish on TV,just leave the cities and travel all over the country and you will see a picture of greed,corruption and a crumbling infrastructure.We are so far behind now that its too late.Sorry to say this but its the truth.No wonder this sort of freedom was despised by Subhash chandra bose and Bhagat singh.They never wanted the british to leave this country in the hands of enemies within with the same opressive laws enacted by the british.How right they were.Who becomes a prime minister in this country?someone who is a favourite of the people in command of a political party.There is nothing called elected candidate.Its just based on whims and fancies.Why do you think the gandhis have ruled the congress for so long?So much for democracy.And by the way I dont think we earned our freedom.The british just left cause they had too much to do in England after the second world war destruction.

From jenna

November 29, 2008 2:49 PM
shouldn't the hotel have CCTV cameras, where are the images. Shouldnt the hotel have a lobby, i wonder what happened to all the ground people why no alarmes were raised. The whole thing is a bit too well layed out!!!!be smart people, think outside the square.

From JAMES MEMANA

November 29, 2008 2:57 PM
WE SLUTE THE BRAVE OFFICERS WHO LAID DOWN THEIR LIVES IN PROTECTING US AND OUR NATION INLUDING MR.HEMANT KARKARE,MR.VIJAY SLASKER,MR.ASHOK KAMTE AND MAJOR SANDEEP UNNIKRISHNAN.WE ARE ALSO PROUD OF OUR HEROES WHO FOUGHT AGAINST TERROR AND MADE US CHEER WITOUT CARING FOR THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

From rAJ VERMA

November 29, 2008 3:30 PM
Whatever happened in Mumbai should be a wakeup call for all those politicians that in the end for us ordinary citizens buildings like Taj, represents solidarity. Somehow I feel that may be just maybe if Col Purohit and the likes of Pragya Thakur were correct in their actions? When the governement fails to act and safeguard their nationals and citizens, isn't it the time for the common soldier to take up action against these barbaric acts of inhumanity. I would also like to point out that in the recent past there has been so many terrorists attack on Indian Soil, it is high time now that we must start educating our children from the day one how to deal when in the crisis. Only if we do that include it in school curriculums we will be able to counter such acts. Let us pray for those who gave their lives in this battle and let us prepare those who have to face this battle in the future. It will not end here and we must prepare our children for the future NOW.

From vipul

November 29, 2008 3:36 PM
my dear friends, m a common man of India and all I can say is that the political situation is just being manipulated to gain milage, people sitting there: do any one of you think they were even concerned of wnat is happning. There should be army rule in India bcz every one of us is somewhere responsible for wt hapnd Pakistan is just a name of the incompitency of all of us and of the system, and if we want to survive now we should wipe out the name and all of us know that we are cpable of doing it, I honestly dont no wt our dearest politicians are waiting for may be a neuclear explosion by pakistan and if they dont do any thing I m very sure it will happn before we can even think of doing anything, the pakistanis and banglageshis should be thrown back to their countries or just for their owon sake the polititians will keep giving them Indian Identeties and keep killing the common man, ITS TIME TO WAKE UP NO NEED FOR VOTING CONDEM THE ELECTIONS, WE WANT ACTION AND RESULTS

From sonu

November 29, 2008 4:28 PM
its so horrible.we should attrack pakisthan for our life

From Deepu

November 29, 2008 5:44 PM
Indian Life is less valued as compared to that of Europeans. All this big nosise is made is just because of some Eropeans have died. The terrorist know it well, that is why they searched for the Eropeans. The Islam is basically a peaceful religon; but the interpretation of the Quran in the hands of the mullas make it violent sect. The Islam has to do a serious soul searching why so many young men becoming terrorist from its flock.There should be 2nd vatican for the Islam if the terrorism should be stopped. The world order was never been a just one and never will be just one. But this can not be a pretext for violance. Violance has never created jusice in the Whole history of the world.The Islam should oppose the use of violance even aganist the most violant nations and sects.The Quran should be transalatted to all languages should be read by one and all.India has to look into the its poor citizen as citizen not as workers. The country is counstituted of its people and not on stories , emotions, fancies , ambitions , belives , greeds of some of the powerful people. If on says I love my country It should mean I love the people and value their life as mine. There is no real patriotic people left in India.Do not blame the leaders, because do I do anything to improve the life of my fellow Indian in my village/city?

From rk

November 29, 2008 6:17 PM
It is very sensitive situation in india. Basically our security should be strong and government of india should safeguard our feelings. There is no value for indian lives in india. Control of a country should come from within their systems. When compared to middle east countries see how they are very strong and no outside religions people are even allowed to do any thing against the counrtys basic religion or people. So india to be strong should have a highly professional government and avoid politicising and blaming each others faults. India to be strong should have leaders like modi, naidu; who value the basic religion of india.

From Afaq

November 29, 2008 6:24 PM
Its so greave and shocking to watch such horrific events, at this moment we should help each other to tackle terrorism rather then blaming others. It’s so easy to blame your neighboring countries by hiding your security failures; In a result Indian Govt. didn’t improve there security as they simply playing blame games. A small example is: When there was bombing in Indian cities Malegaon and Modasa bomb blasts in September, Indian Govt. and Police categorically blames Pakistani militants behind these bombing. But the actual terrorist was captured few weeks ago which was there own domestic hind separatists including Officers from the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) Lieutenant-Colonel Srikant Prasad Purohit.

From dilgeet kor

November 29, 2008 9:13 PM
Its so greave and shocking to watch such horrific events, at this moment we should help each other to tackle terrorism rather then blaming others. It’s so easy to blame your neighboring countries by hiding your security failures; In a result Indian Govt. didn’t improve there security as they simply playing blame games. A small example is: When there was bombing in Indian cities Malegaon and Modasa bomb blasts in September, Indian Govt. and Police categorically blames Pakistani militants behind these bombing. But the actual terrorist was captured few weeks ago which was there own domestic hind separatists including Officers from the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) Lieutenant-Colonel Srikant Prasad Purohit.

From Jamil Ahmad

November 29, 2008 10:28 PM
It is with refrence to Mumbai's attack. In my opinion it is all because of Indian politicians attitude, their lack of courage & insight. Why Indians have forgotten the previously happened incidents of the same nature like massacre of almost 36 Sikhs in Chatti Singh Pura on the eve of Clinton's visit, Godhra Rail attack resulting in tke killing of innocent Muslims, Somjhota Express fire, the blame of all these incidents was levelled on Pakistan like a Parrot. But all these incident's investigation latter proved that these were commited by Indian own agencies for the sake of getting some advantage in the field of Politics by the politicians. Besides, brutal killing of innocent Kashmiris, Christians' and other minorities in India is a hienous face of this pseudo democracy of the world. Above all, in Mumbai deaths of innocent people by some miscreants is an act of bruatlity. With the request for India to look her own mischieves.

From T.G.Menon

November 29, 2008 10:42 PM
The Western experts have come out to say that when young people are disenfranchised, as are the Muslims in India, acts of terrorism will happen. This is what happens when so called security experts pass comments on subjects they cannot or will not make any real and serious attempt to study and understand before such analysis are offerred. Please, find out who the poor in India are. Given that India is somewhere between 80% to 85% Hindu, the argument that the Muslims have been left behind in the mainstream developmental process of India is just so much crock ! Terrorism has nothing to do with the disenfranchised Muslims in India. It has to do with the ambitions of a few deranged megalomaniacs and the money they have been able to raise from duped supporters who seek to usher in an age of glory that can only exist in their imagination. Get real !!

From Mariappan

November 29, 2008 11:12 PM
After seeing all ths incidents i must say that pakistan government is doing nothing to vanquish terrorism.After each and every blast reports comes and it didnt surprised me bcoz ,this militants are getting training in pakistan,this is what all the reports says.Pakistan is like home for them .Pakistan should be more careful in future and they should see to it that they are doing enough to destroy terrorism from the root and India will definately support them ,U.S.A.too.This terrorist are giving bad impression on muslims.Being a muslim i am ashamed that majority of terrorist are muslims and they are spoiling our muslims name .

From vijay

November 29, 2008 11:16 PM
Just a reminder to you guys.. when the real culprits of the Samjohta express bombings were identified.. we did not hide the truth from this world..we are bold enough to retract from what we said earlier..since our intial findings supported the pak theory, we stuck to it and now we get a more clear picture of it when the Malegoan blast was cracked, we are ready to correct ourselves.. all this because we don't care who the militants are.. we are sincere in our efforts to eradicate the militant elements from our society..Did we blame pak for the serial blast that occured in Delhi? Did we blame pak for the jaipur blasts? think over it..Is Pak in the same mind frame as India is? If they don't have terror camps within pak,then are the american's bombings inside pak territory are just for fun? Pakistan is one of worst example of a functionless Democracy..Indian goverment may claim the entire kashmir its map, even when 40% of Kashmir is controlled by Pak (it is open secert). Similarly, the truth about Pak goverment is.. it doesn't even control 60% of the its own country.. it's all moolah raj, islamic radicals raj and so on.. Pakistan! don't act as a cry baby and suckle the americans, be matured in your acts like the indians

From Kiran Jotwani

November 29, 2008 11:34 PM
There was a Witness named Sajan Kapoor who said there were 16 terrorist on the same floor, he was there. So y does Police say there were only 10 and 9 killed. people are been cheated. We cant trust the media or the Police..

From Ashish Sukthankar

November 29, 2008 11:52 PM
I agree with Niranjan about the laziness of Indian Media. I was also appalled at the behaviour of news reporters like Barkha Dutt. They were clearly interfering with the security operations around the hotels and most of the jingoistic and anti-politician rhetoric spouted by them was quite confusing. Yes - we need more resources to be directed towards India's security but found Barkha's link between Raj Thackeray's Mumbaikar campaign and the NSG incomprehensible.

From Shah

November 30, 2008 12:09 AM
What Happened in Mumbai is detestable, disgustful, condemnable and shameful episode. It would not be appropriate to point fingers on Pakistan until thorough investigations, including forensic evidence is complete (Which i am sure is under process since the seize just ended). One thing requires attention: India need not to shy from a national debate about why Indian Muslims feel disenchanted from today's India. If big, but hollow slogans (pardon me for this) like secular, biggest democracy, rising, incredible and shining India could not take onboard the minorities in this most populous country, then there is some inherent problem with the entire system on which Indian fasade is built. Pointing fingers on external element takes away the focus temporarily from domestic problems and one must admit they remain and would raise their head once more. And Mr. Francis or whoever he may be, Islam is neither a disease nor Muslims are diseased. This world is an unsafe place since 'colourless' people took over to rule this world who had remaind European-centric and aloof from the rest of the civilisations,including the biblical land, throughout their history. Since the time Christianity became White as well as Jesus (by the way both of them were Middle Eastern and 'coloured') we have this Colourless plague, which is now beoming God-less capitalists, that is subjugating people from Palestine to the far end of orientialism.

From Babelfish

November 30, 2008 2:56 AM
Clearly only extremists benefit from terrorism. These acts by an islamist terror ring is sure to empower no one but the extreme right wing. They will use these attacks to grind their axes and advance their native agenda. So predictable is this that it dulls any sense of irony. But do the dastardly gunman care that they have given a gift to their supposed enemies? Hardly. They are are extremists, and extremists need extreme enemies as much as their enemies need them. The only losers are law abiding citizens, caught in the middle, looking to find saviours among brutes that claim to speak for them. Of course, few westerners are paying attention to the tragedy, beyond that which they see presented on CNN. From a reading of blog comments, this incident has served only to rally the usual reactionaries among them, those spoiling to fight cartoon evildoers... to do away with Muslims, in the U.S. to expunge immigrants and the dark-skinned and to undermine the newly elected president; to deride and to persecute liberals, to torture and to kidnap on the mere suspicion of terrorism; to put it simply, to unleash ignorance and violence in the name of peace. And seeing such predicable results come to pass, seeing their enemies raised up at the expense of common people, their own importance will be confirmed, and terrorist masterminds will smile congratulations to one other.

From harjeet

November 30, 2008 3:06 AM
I agree that Indian politician should wake up NOW, otherwise it will be too late, we should close the border A.S.A.P. no train service or via road, Let them Be happy where they are, we don’t want them in our country. It is unfortunate we are living in these circumstances, SINCE 1947.ALL SUCCESSIVE MILITARY rulers in Pakistan always encourage infact created these terrorist just to harm India for their own interest. NOW these terrorist have become so strong , harming everybody including PAKISTAN. that old saying what will you sow, so shall you reap, it is in PAKISTAN interest to Cooperate with INDIA to get rid of this cancer, OTHERWISE WE all will suffer, INDIAN LEADERS Should be very careful in future when dealing with PAKISTAN. WE have provided so many times evidence o f TERROIST from Pakistan, I think that will be just waste of time. Infect PAKISTAN government cant do any thing with these PEOPLES, They are not human, What happen when Mrs Butto was assinated last year, WHAT HAPEN after that we all know? The fact is PAKISTAN GOVERNMENT has no control over these People, they are helpless, scared, just wt to keep their Position and make more money for their families nothing else.

From Harjeet Walia

November 30, 2008 3:08 AM
I agree that Indian politician should wake up NOW, otherwise it will be too late, we should close the border A.S.A.P. no train service or via road, Let them Be happy where they are, we don’t want them in our country. It is unfortunate we are living in these circumstances, SINCE 1947.ALL SUCCESSIVE MILITARY rulers in Pakistan always encourage infact created these terrorist just to harm India for their own interest. NOW these terrorist have become so strong , harming everybody including PAKISTAN. that old saying what will you sow, so shall you reap, it is in PAKISTAN interest to Cooperate with INDIA to get rid of this cancer, OTHERWISE WE all will suffer, INDIAN LEADERS Should be very careful in future when dealing with PAKISTAN. WE have provided so many times evidence o f TERROIST from Pakistan, I think that will be just waste of time. Infect PAKISTAN government cant do any thing with these PEOPLES, They are not human, What happen when Mrs Butto was assinated last year, WHAT HAPEN after that we all know? The fact is PAKISTAN GOVERNMENT has no control over these People, they are helpless, scared, just wt to keep their Position and make more money for their families nothing else.

From Harshal

November 30, 2008 3:37 AM
I think to stop them we should kill 100 muslims for 1 indian or any person of any other religion. As usa did for its terror attack on world trade center in which they killed lots of muslims after which I dont remember any terror attacks on america. If they love there people so much then these is the right way to stop them

From Harshal

November 30, 2008 3:41 AM
In these terror attack lots of muslims from india are also involved. without muslim support these is not possible. how they can move so much ammunition in taj without any muslim support. dont employ any muslims and avoid all muslims. our government is not even able to take any decision as was taken by america in which for some americans they have almost cleared whole country. In these pakistanis are involved that is final

From Mel Thompson

November 30, 2008 3:53 AM
Monothesim Is The Cause: I have read the Koran twice and the Torah and the Christian Bible. They are all very similar. The Christian New Testament preaches Eternal Damnation in the most hateful way. Read the Book of Revelations to find out what kind of Religion of Peace Christianity is, from the point of view of its scriptures. If one objects to Sharia, simply read the Book of Leviticus in the Torah. That stuff makes Sharia seem mellow and gentle by comparison. On to the Old Testament outside the formal Torah. If one looks at the Book of Jacob, one sees the advocacy of wholesale genocide on a scale that not even the most fanatic Islamic Extremest would be remotely interested in. In the Book of Jacob believers are commanded to, and this really is mind blowing, to kill every man, then every woman, then every child, then every animal, and then, to burn down every tree and plant and to leave not one living thing in the village of polytheists. Now, Islamic Extremists long to dominate the Hindus, maybe evil kill a certain number of them, but, for instance, when the Taliban were in charge of Afghanistan, they never did follow through with any plan to commit genocide against the Hindu minority there. True, many dies, some were harassed and so on, but the genocide, full-scale, never happened under the Taliban. Additionally, it was never even remotely advocated by Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. The problem is not Islam, per se, since it really is a kind of cousin, or related religion to Christianity and Judaism. In fact, so many of their literal scriptures overlap that it really does appear, FROM A SCRIPTURAL POINT OF VIEW, that they are all worshipping, as the innocents and the naive say, the same God. That's why the Koran calls the Christians and the Jews people of the Book who deserve some modicum of protection, even if they are commanded to be subservient. And the verses in the Koran seeming to demand conversion by force do not hold up against the larger context where it is admitted that, even should Islam rule the world, Christians and Jews will be around, they will not all be converted, and they are not all to be exterminated. The problem is MONOTHEISM itself, that is the kind that is of the sort that refers to all three of these religions, which are sometimes called THE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS, to denote that everyone knows they all have similar roots, and, more importantly, AS A PERSON WHO HAS READ THE KORAN AND TORAH AND BIBLE ALL THE WAY THROUGH MULTIMPLE TIMES, they have overlapping intolerance. The intolerance of the Christin Book of Revelations is exactly the intolerance of The Book of Leviticus, is exactly the Koran. The Abrahamic religions have the most horrific scriptures on earth. Recall in the Torah, a man being stoned to death for merely gathering twigs for firewood on the Sabbath, recall the Book of Revelations note that non-Christians will be tortured in a giant Hell reserved to commit torture against them for eternity. Not even Hitler wanted to keep his enemies alive for eternity so that he might enjoy torturing them over and over forever to watch them agonize. In that way, perhaps the Christian scriptures are the most horrific. The Koran talks of long seasons in Hell, long punishments, etc. The Torah talks of the death penalty, but neither come out and quite really advocate the taking of a soul, the way Revelations does, and putting it in a torture chamber, and keeping it alive forever, for the sole cause of torturing it in revenge for not being Christian. My friends, Islamic Extremists have basically the same scriptures we do, only they really admit what their scriptures say. We Christians and Jews are basically in flat out denial of what our own scriptures say. I challenge all of you, for instance, to read the Book of Jacob twice all the way through. You could do that in an afternoon, since it's pretty short. You will see exactly where all this comes from, MONOTHEISM. By the way Polytheists, while committing their share of evil, never had the scale of sick ambitions that the Abrahamic faith do in their scriptures. True, now, by sheer chance, it is NOT CURRENTLY the trend in Christianity or Judaism to enforce these codes, but believe me, if the Christians take over the world, you will see them attempt to resurrect this same thing as Sharia, just merely a Christianized version. News for you all. Christian Sharia is horrid, Judaic Sharia is horrid . . . the only difference being, those faiths are not currently choosing this time to implement them. Of course American Fundamentalists have a totally mad agenda, and, on the Judaic end, just watch You Tube videos of Meir Kahane. He too notes, just like the Muslim Extremists that he is only quoting scripture and not making this stuff up. It's not Islam, it's Monotheism itself. That's the problem.

From melodi

November 30, 2008 6:25 AM
just a different thing that keep coming to mind on this occation.... i have always been suspicious of people who say sonia gandhi should not be allowed to be the commander in chief of Indian government. but now, i wonder, is she going to feel the same anger and patriotic passion indian citizens feel? just like even if i get an american citizenship, will i feel the same anger as any american on things that happen here? though Sonia is not the prime minister, she is still numero uno, the one to pull the strings. i fear she will never show the fierceness Indira gandhi might have had in a situation like this..

From Raju Narisetti

November 30, 2008 9:36 AM
interesting web commentary on same issue http://mije.org/richardprince/mumbai-coverage-gripping-how-good

From manny

November 30, 2008 9:55 AM
united666 : if a group christian or buddhist men attacked mumbai. will you say that all christians/buddhist are terrorist? FACT IS MUSLIMS ATTACK PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD....WE ALWAYS HEAR THE BATTLE CRY WITH ALLAH ACHBAR....SHAME ON YOU MUSLIMS FOR SITTING BY IDLY. Your time is near where you will regret not standing up to your terror on others.

From manny

November 30, 2008 10:01 AM
MEL THOMPSON: Fact is that the goverments in the US or any other christian country fight their own extremests...whether that means outlawing organisations that want to harm others (like the kahana org in israel)....MUSLIM COUNTRIES encourage terror. Lets see: most terrorsists from 9/11 were from saudi arabia....(by the way did here of a christain chuch in saudi arabia?). the list goes on and on ...it's just sickening to hear the liberal left pasifying the terrorist.....while knowing very well that muslims hate what liberalisms stands for. WAKE UP

From jo

November 30, 2008 1:03 PM
There are deeper questions involved here than a plain 'My Dad is stronger than yours'. The entire concept of India has come into question. The first people to blame are the general citizenry who give a fractured mandate time after time and make sure the government in the centre is almost always weak. The second are the people again who have no dignity for either themselves or their countrimen. As long as one's verandah is clear of muck and bandits - one is not bothered what is happening down the street. The third are again the people who have no sense of justice, compassion, fairness and pursuit of excellence. One must have a job, one must have a house, one must have a wife and children (preferably sons) and let the others go to hell. The people of India are insensitive to the core to other people of India and I dare say this is going to happen again. Let it happen a few more times and you will have calls for secession of of many states from union of India. The Indian story is going to be over unless we wake up. The first things that need getting done are:- Political Reforms - to ensure there is a revote until a single party is in simple majority. Internal democratic elections within all political parties that can stand for national elections. Let politicins be elected democratically in their parties Judicial Reforms - Timebound disposal of cases Civil Reforms - Uniform civil code with primacy of the constitution over any other religious cult creed or beliefs Police Reforms - To grant autonomy to police. The political establishment should have power only to remove the chief of the Force and not any constable, inspector ets. Intelligence Reform - Pour in money and expertise and hold int agencies responsible for failures. Have huge establishments for int apparatus in jehadi countries. Buy out their politicians, police and government officials Terrorism policy - Have a new terrorism policy with focus on elimination of people known to be involved in terrorism anywhere in the world and with any means. MAke a target list and put it in the web to strike terror into the hearts of people who finance or abet terror in any way. suggestions for inclusion in the list - all the top brass of all holy armies in the Pakistan, all indian mafioso living abroad, selected Saudi missionaries, selected ISI operatives who give training to terror outfits Religious Reform - The nation should abjure religion for 5 years - no teligious functions, structures, leaders and activity should be permitted until we have at least two years of religious violence free years. Anyone professing religious beliefs for votes should be debarred for two elections. No mention of religion or religious groups should be allowed for 5 years Conscription - Have at least 1 year conscription of all ablebodied adults to teach them military values Standards organisation - Each public amenity standard must be laid. Charge appropriate money but do not let dignity of humans to be lowered by allowing them to stay in jhuggis and travel in overcrowded buses and trains If you do not do all this the drain on the idea of india will continue and soon india will be bereft of all blood and soul - Somalindia - anyone for that?

From Besarien

November 30, 2008 2:09 PM
My heart goes out to the city of Mumbai, particularly to those who lost friends or family. I wish your city healing. I know you will rebuild even better than before. I do hope also that your innocent indigenous Muslim population do not suffer for the crimes of others. Here in the US after 911, there were hate crimes committed against Indian Americans mistaken for I'm assuming Arab Muslims (and all sorts of stupid, senseless violence directed at other innocent people.)

From sundus

November 30, 2008 3:26 PM
it is a dissapointment that whenever it comes to events like these all the indian 'news' can come up with is pakistani involvement. there r bomb blasts in pakistan almost every week....does this mean that pakistan attacks itself too? Very sad to see certain individuals internationally stating that pakistan should be hit hard ( aik dhakka aur do) if thats the way to solve terror in the world then i must say the end of the world is not far. and no religion is a disease and if thats so then there shudnt be any religion which should exist at all. i would not go into details on this. the world is under terror attacks...its not only about india or any other country..its there even our country and the best way to solve this as an educated individual is to work at it together considering it a different community rather than an involved community and thats what Pakistan is trying to work for and findout if there was any involvement and if so then to destroy it from both the countries bein

From sundus

November 30, 2008 3:27 PM
g together and not involving any emotional partriotism as such or a target to teach someone a lesson.

From Mumbaikar

November 30, 2008 5:13 PM
Am not a big bollywood star nor a politician nor an industrialist am just a common man who calls himself a citizen of India who has lived in Mumbai all his life, this is the first time I pen down my thought with an overwehlemed feeling of emotion, frustration and respect. Emotion for all the family members who have lost their loved ones, Frustration: disgust towards the politician of our country who have leveraged their stance through the use of citizens helplessness by saying MUMBAI SPIRIT will bring normalcy. I speak for the Mumbaites, enough of this Mumbai Spirit Bullshit, it's time to get yourselves out of the chairs of Parliament and take action or we will be forced to do something about it. If u dont act now dont be surprised to have given birth to "Mumbai Mujahidine". Stop taking our need to go out and work and earn our livelihood the next day as the Mumbai Spirit... It's not spirit its helplessness... its the need to survive... Respect: to all those people who laid their lives on the line to rescue people who were of multi nationality and religion. You call us the financial capital of the country, what have u done to ensure that it stays that way... Then we have some elements in the city who claim to own the state and are crawled up in their mouse holes whe nevents like these transpires, Mumbai apne baap ki hai ya nahin yeh toh pata nahin lekin Bharat hamari maa zaroor hai...aur agar mumbai tumhari baap ki hai toh tumhare baap ko bachane ke liye bahar kyun nahin nikle? It is events like these that only a common the True Indians who came to rescue, not looking at what class, creed or race or state u belong to. My message to the Politicians is dont tear this nation apart for your cheap agenda of getting into power and my plea to the citizens dont fall prey to such spineless wolves who would do anything or say anything to gain attention. I wish we were Isrealies today, atleast I would be rest assured that justice would have been served after all the dust is settled... learn from the munic incident India and dont let us down. Its time for Mumbai to say India take action or your Financial Capital will not generate any revenue for you coz we as citizens of Mumbai will call for an indefinite Band... we dont care what the neighbouring country threatens us with, we would rather end this once and for all than live in fear... To the JAWANS: You are our true Heroes and kudos to the bravery for all those who walked out or were carried out, we will be in debt towards you all for all our lives...

From Deva

November 30, 2008 7:14 PM
I REALLY DONO WHO ARE GONNA RED THIS. BUT I WISH THOSE BLOODSUCKING MOTHER FUCKING POLITICIANS WHO DOESNT REALISE WHT LIFE IS AND PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS... lET THEM LOOT MONEY BUT ATLEAST THEY CAB PLAN OUT SOMETHING FOR THE SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE, ASSHOLES THEY & THEIR FAMILIES COCKS & HOLES R COVERED IN ac BULLET PROOF CARS BUT THE PUBLIC?.... ANIMALS & HEARTLESS CREATURES THEY ARE.. THEY WONT BE IN HEAVEN THATS FOR SURE.... BLOODY THAT SHIV SENA... WHATS HIS NAME... YEA RAJ TACKERAY OR PAL THACKRAY I DONT REMEMBER THAT FUCKER'S NAME.... OTHALA OKKA THEVIDIA MAVAN.... PUNDA MAVAN, SPLITTING THE PEOPLE & INFURIATING ONE GROUP FOR HIS OWN NEEDS... OK HE IS DOING WHERE HAS THE SENSE GONE FOR THAT FUCKING FOOLISH MEN, BLOODY THOSE HEARTLESS DUMB MOTHER FUCKING CREATURES HURTING ALL ANTI-MAARASTRIANS, ARE THEY SURE THAT THEY ARE ALL ARE BORN TO MAHARASTRIAN MOTHERS OR FATHERS?... ASSHOLES THEY R ,, VERY SICKENING... BLOODY YOU ARE BORN IN THIS WORLD WHICH IS ALREADY A MYTH, CANT YOU GROW LIVE HAPPILY N PASS AWAY?...EACH AND EVERY PIECE OF COCK IS GONNA BE UNDER THE SAND, THEN Y THE FUCK TRY TO SHOW THAT YOU HAVE ONE.. ASS HOLES.... IF YOU CANT HEL[P ATLEAST STAY AWAY NOT INDULGE IN HURTING OTHERS.... THEN THAT BLOODY BANGALOREANS, I REALLY DONO WHAT THEY EAT.. I BELIEVE IT MUST BE SHIT FOR BREAKFAST LUNCH & DINNER, THEY DONO WHAT LOVE IS.. THAY HURT THE FEELINGS ALSO PHYSICALLY THE TAMILIANS FOR NO REASONS, SONS OF BITCHES THEY ARE....ITS VERY WRONG TO USE SUCH WORDS, I KNOW SOME MOTHER FUCKERS WOULD TRY TO COMMENT BACK AFTER SEEING MY COMMENT AND IF THEY DO THEY ARE NOT BORN TO A SINGLE FATHER, THE ONE WHO AGREES WITH MY POINT IS A TRUE CITIZEN OF INDIA... I DONT SPARE THE BLOODY TAMILIANS TOO IF THEY INVOLVE IN SUCH INHUMAN ACTS, THERE ARE ASSHOLES HURTING MEN OF OTHER CASTES AND I ADMIT THEY TOO EAT SHIT OF THEIR OWN, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO HOSPITALITY BLOODY THESE DUMB TAMILIANS ARE AT THEIR BEST SERVING THOSE WHO HAVE HIT THEM B4....

From ssi

November 30, 2008 8:54 PM
I am surprised as to how each one is balming one another. No religion allows this type of act. This is done because people who have no education and are poor are brian washed what must be done and how it is the right thing to do. There are many hindus and muslims who enjoy very good friendship and business partnership. People who have personal motives do this type behaviour and then justify it through religion. If you look at history this type of act (Terrorism) has been used by every religion and its people. At one time british were the target of this when they occupied gaza strip. I also think the people that invoke this have some thing to gain, it may be power or money. I think if every ones basic needs are met this would not take place.

From anand

December 1, 2008 2:03 AM
most of the people have just written and covered most the things but i have few reactions for few people over there: i welcome them to debate with me if they have the guts to support themselves!! for UNITED666: a short n sweet one : ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERRORISTS TILL DATE ARE MUSLIMS!! TRY SOMETHING BETTER THAN HIDING UNDER IMAGINATION OF TERRORISTS BEING CHRISTIANS OR BUDDHISTS !!

From anand

December 1, 2008 2:23 AM
for SHAH: hey please do reply man!! EVER CHECKED OUT HOW ANY MUSLIM ACTORS ARE THERE IN BOLLYWOOD??- MORE THAN HINDUS!! MUSLIM PRESIDENTS IN INDIA?-3!! BEST MUSICIAN OF INDIA??- A R RAHMAN!! THE LIST GOES ON.. CAN U GIMME SAME ABOUT OTHER RELIGION'S POSITION IN PAKISTAN OR ANY OTHER MUSLIM NATION? WHAT THE FUCK U MEAN BY- "CARRYING MUSLIMS ON OUR BACK"?? ECONOMICALLY THEY HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH AS ANY OTHER GIVEN CITIZEN. WHAT THE FUCK IT IS ABOUT THE COLOR GAME YOU HAVE WRITTEN?? TRY CHANGING THE QURAN'S INTERCEPTION OF JIHAD AL-SAYF FIRST WHICH IS SICKENING YOUR RELIGION. IF YOU ARE MORALISTIC ENOUGH TO STAND UP, TERRORISM MUST BE A BIGGER CONCERN TO MUSLIMS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE AS ITS A PROOF OF DEEP CORRUPTION AND WEEK MINDS OF MUSLIMS WHO ARE SO EASILY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE NEO-VOILENT MEANING OF JIHAD...... I AM NOT JUSTIFYING ANY RELIGION BUT JUST THINK IT ONCE FROM TOP WHY ITS HAPPENING.... AND HOW CAN IT BE STOPPED... WE ARE SURPRISED WHY NO MUSLIM ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN FORMED TO TACKLE TERRORISM...WHICH WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS!!!

From anand

December 1, 2008 2:23 AM
for SHAH: hey please do reply man!! EVER CHECKED OUT HOW ANY MUSLIM ACTORS ARE THERE IN BOLLYWOOD??- MORE THAN HINDUS!! MUSLIM PRESIDENTS IN INDIA?-3!! BEST MUSICIAN OF INDIA??- A R RAHMAN!! THE LIST GOES ON.. CAN U GIMME SAME ABOUT OTHER RELIGION'S POSITION IN PAKISTAN OR ANY OTHER MUSLIM NATION? WHAT THE FUCK U MEAN BY- "CARRYING MUSLIMS ON OUR BACK"?? ECONOMICALLY THEY HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH AS ANY OTHER GIVEN CITIZEN. WHAT THE FUCK IT IS ABOUT THE COLOR GAME YOU HAVE WRITTEN?? TRY CHANGING THE QURAN'S INTERCEPTION OF JIHAD AL-SAYF FIRST WHICH IS SICKENING YOUR RELIGION. IF YOU ARE MORALISTIC ENOUGH TO STAND UP, TERRORISM MUST BE A BIGGER CONCERN TO MUSLIMS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE AS ITS A PROOF OF DEEP CORRUPTION AND WEEK MINDS OF MUSLIMS WHO ARE SO EASILY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE NEO-VOILENT MEANING OF JIHAD...... I AM NOT JUSTIFYING ANY RELIGION BUT JUST THINK IT ONCE FROM TOP WHY ITS HAPPENING.... AND HOW CAN IT BE STOPPED... WE ARE SURPRISED WHY NO MUSLIM ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN FORMED TO TACKLE TERRORISM...WHICH WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS!!!

From anand

December 1, 2008 2:46 AM
for JAMIL AHMED:............... THE CALL INTERCEPTED MADE BY THE TERRORISTS DURING THE MUMBAI ATTACKS ARE FROM-N-TO KARACHI, WHICH I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IS IN PAKISTAN. SEVERAL OF THE MILITANT GROUPS BOTH ON INDO-PAK BORDER, N AFHGANISTAN BORDER ARE ROAMING OUT FREELY.. THE DETAILS OF SEVERAL TERRORISTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO PAKISTAN, AND I WONDER IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN ME WHAT THE FUCK IT HAS BEEN USED FOR.IT ONLY SHOWS THAT PAK POLICE AND MILITARY HAS HIRED INCOMPETENT BUNCH OF GUYS OR MILITARY AND MILITANTS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.... NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT AND IT APPLIES TO INDIA AS WELL BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MORALITY NO FUCKER CAN BLAME INDIA FOR THAT !!

From Bushra

December 1, 2008 8:08 AM
Please, I sit here for the 1000th time at the brink of tears. As a person whose roots lie in Pakistan and have best friends with roots in India, I find this whole situation sickening. Why are things that would be blatantly obvious if there had occurred anywhere else, so hidden here. Firstly, when will the people in Pakistan and India (not to mention the politicians) catch on to the repetition of certain events? Why has no one ever questioned the fact, that many of the worst incidents in India occur close to the time when their relationship with Pakistan is finally improving, why doesn’t either country use their political intelligence to figure out why their alliance would be dangerous to others? I do not deny that there are terrorist groups that are based in Pakistan, but let us not forget either that these groups were placed there and Pakistan told to protect some of them at a time where they were at use for America and others. Taliban was not only supported by Pakistan, but during the Russian war it was mainly supported by USA who encouraged Pakistan to support them as well. Yes there are groups affiliated with Kashmir that find a safe heaven in Pakistan which something that needs to be dealt with, but that does not mean that their actions against India are instigated by Pakistan. The terror attacks in India are a wrong and inappropriate response to the internal problems India has with these people. India has not been innocent in harboring people that have been fighting causes that other countries might see as terrorism. The biggest disappointment is the media though, they will print what sells, and if that may the first finger pointed at Pakistan then they do not care of the consequences. What happened to journalistic integrity, a jammadar in a police station comes out and says “he was speaking to his mom” in Karachi and next day it’s a fact. I really wish that everyone who is guilty of printing unproven facts is later named and shamed, and if they motivate killings, rage and another 62 years of hatred in the region I hope they can live with it on their conscious. Sadly it comes down to that our politicians in India and Pakistan has failed us, and like a crud savage mentality are keeping the fight alive because they both have groups of shouting supporters behind them asking for blood. They failed to use their more developed and experienced sensibility to handle things in a civilized and progressive manner. I know me and my Friends are all praying that since our leaders are not able to our people will come to their senses.

From Bushra

December 1, 2008 8:19 AM
I am happy to see that most (with some exceptions) are thinking along the right path. All Indians should stand together and fight the threat of terror in their country, and Indian is made up of Hindus, Muslims, Christians and many others. Terror is the threat not a country or a religion. Fight against the terror and the corruption that allows it to happen. For the few ignorant and hate inducing individuals, you are achieving nothing my keeping your minds narrow and inicing people to commit more violence. You will just leave this world with blood on your hands and failure in your life and the lives of people who were innocent enough to believe you. To Francis please do not embarras your self like this in public, Islam was one of the first democracies in the history of the world. Women and minorites have had the right to vote from day one, when was it that they got right in the west???? oh...not even 50 years ago! This is a fight against terror, no muslim accept any of these terror group as a part of our religion as we believe it or practice it like the majority of Hindus do not identify with the extreme right in India.

From Bushra

December 1, 2008 8:36 AM
I was going to leave this dicussion because i learned a long time ago that ignorance can not be fought with sense, butunfortunatly my emotions took over after reading a few comments from ANAND. All terrorist till date have been muslim? which history books do you read and which news channels do you wacth?, obviously you have never heard of events in ireland,spain, france, ex-yougoslavia, ex-russia and I could go on which has nothing to do with Muslims. A situation like Palestine...the terror acts are carried out by the muslims AND the jews...the difference is just that in the case of the jewish people its their military carrying them out. So please do not talk rubbish, the surge of islamic terror is all interlinked to the recent events in the region. As far as I am aware there is no Hindu Religious Institution created to deal with hindu extremist terror act that India was unfortuante enought to be exposed too. This is not a religious problem but a general problem for all the world, may I remind you that Marriot in Islamabad was blown up recently as well, and the amount of muslims dying in all the terror attacs are no less then anyone else. So we all face this together....and that the only way it can be fought.

From Niranjan Rajadhyaksha

December 1, 2008 8:49 AM

Thanks to everybody who has commented on this post. I think the comments reflect the anger and anguish in India --- as well as among some Pakistanis, even though their government and the jihadi groups they protect have let loose terror on Indian soil since the late 1980s.

The anger is so profound that some violence in language is inevitable. But I request commentators to avoid profanities, please.

From Joe the Atheist

December 1, 2008 9:47 AM
No doubt Christians and Jews will be blaming "Islam." Get a clue. Most of the current problems in this world are cause by "Abrahamic Relgion." Christians, Jews, Muslims... it's the same religion, they're just quibbling over fine points. Take this example from Psalm 137: That begins "By the waters of Babylon where we sat down and wept.." few people know that it ends with " How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones. Against the rock." Imagine! The Bible, revered by Jews, Christians, says anyone that takes an eneimies child and smashes its brains out against a rock will be "blessed." These are the people tut-tutting about Mubai. Hey, what goes around, comes around. Islam isn't the problem; religion is. Those of us committed to reason say: A curse on all your houses.

From Suman

December 1, 2008 1:17 PM
We should do this, we should that but where is the action? The intelligence agencies normally send advisories but never pursue the action taken by those to whom these were sent.

From Shekhar Das Chowdhury

December 1, 2008 4:49 PM
Dear Niranjan, BBC's Rob Watson's comment on India's accusation in Pak's role is outraging. It reads like this: "1057 BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson says: It is almost routine for India to blame Pakistan for any attacks. But, the emerging view of not just Indian counter-terrorism officials but of security sources beyond is that the attack on Mumbai appears too sophisticated and well-orchestrated to have been carried out entirely by homegrown militants. Although it's hard to imagine that either Pakistan's top civilian or military leadership could have authorised such an assault, militant groups based in Pakistan have certainly carried out attacks before." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7753639.stm

From Vivek Sanghi

December 1, 2008 5:56 PM
Hello Niranjan. What seems to have been missed or not given the importance it deserves in this entire event and the aftermath is China. There has been no reaction whatsoever (not that I have heard or read of, have you?) from China. They do not want to condemn this attack?? Does it mean that they support it?? Their silence on the suffering of their neighbour is scary. We can never trust such a neighbour. Regards, Vivek

From Niranjan Rajadhyaksha

December 1, 2008 6:27 PM

Vivek, that's a brilliant point. I did write that the People's Daily has not yet commented but never drew the larger implication that China has been silent on all this. Hmmmmm.....

From Sumita

December 1, 2008 6:48 PM
Dont hold a brief for the Chinese but the Hindu has reported that the Chinese Premier has condemned the attacks.. http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/10272201.htm The other angle is of course the source of funds for the Naxals, where is that headed?

From Niranjan Rajadhyaksha

December 1, 2008 7:18 PM

Shekhar, BBC keeps doing this, doesn't it?

From SPR

December 1, 2008 8:36 PM
'Unity in diversity' is difficult to understand by common citizens of the world -but they practice it always unconsciously. Politicians are against to the above principle as they normally live on the emotions of majority, and its easy divide people than unite them. All the blame game, cross border terrorism etc is because of this. However who live united amidst diversity will last long. Who trust separatism vanish anyway. Example: Pakistan was created by the principle of non-tolerance of Non-Islamic religions. The what happened? It got spilt into 2 parts in less than a 30years.Now we have Bangladesh and Pakistan. Pakistan hasn’t learnt the above principle till now, and never does them. Can they can re-unite with Bangladesh or with any other Muslim nation? Now do Pak want to encourage freedom in Kashmir by fighting asymmetric ,proxy wars and quoting Islam! They are not able control North-west frontiers of own land, and US is already to taking over.Isnt it Partition #2?. Now the power of their hardliners is so high that Pak government can’t protect their own star hotel and Muslim citizen-they can only use such incidents to gain sympathy when Indians complaint on them. They can’t prevent terror strikes except sponsoring them. So slowly situation is moving towards someone else taking over control of remaining of the Pak to set the things right. In a way ISI is creating backdrop for India, US, china countries to attack Pak and divide further, and that’s the only way for them control terrorism. Still Pak won’t let their people learn where they fail always. Terror strikes are helping India and Kashmir in a way to move them closure a bit more and to understand our great principle 'unity in diversity'. See the current Kashmir (India) polls. People are turning out more and more against calling of Separatists! So who are losers finally? Isn’t it Pakistani politicians/religious leaders, who constantly fail to learn the grand principle and misdirect the whole nation? Pakistan is always and will be victim of their own leaders.

From Vivek Sanghi

December 2, 2008 12:19 AM
Thanks for the heads-up Sumita. I am a relieved to know that our fiercely competitive neighbour does believe in bilateral ties and diplomacy with us.

From Bushra

December 2, 2008 6:48 AM
To SPR: Out of everything you wrote I only agree with Pakistan is the victim of its own leaders. Everything else is utter nonsense. Unity in diversity, never mind that I could probably name you 20 countries who suffer this much worse then Pakistan, but let us stay close to home. Young (and old) people in Pakistan admit that we have sever infrastructure problems and we will deal with that, but are you really that oblivious to the trouble in India. Which unity are you taking about, India has a LARGE part of the population that is not Hindu, have you missed all the killings and political assasinations that have come about due to this point. It was not a pakistani or muslim who assasinated Ghandi jee or Indra Ghandi, It was not a muslim group that set Samjota express on fire and it was not muslim groups or pakistani and had a modern day massacre in Gujrat not long ago. I have absolutly no idea where you got your kashmir info from, the development there is that many of the groups have decided to protest for their cause in a non-violent manner now because they are tired o dying and killing. If you hear some recent documentaries on BBC World service you will realise that both the kashmiries and indian soldiers there are sick of the conflict, many indian soldiers said that they should just be given their freedom becase they did not want to kill anymore innocent people. And in return kashmiries do not want to kill indian soldiers for no reason. There are extreme elements in EVERY country and there are many in India aS WELL. As far as Bangladesh is concerned, they have not really benefitted from their independence nor has Pakistan. A vunreable situation was made worse by bad political decisions at the time from Pakistan and a decent amount of manipulation from India. NWP, Why dont you learn the history behind that province before you coment on it, it was the largest refugee center in the world during the sovjet-Afghan war...Pakistan was encoraged, almost begged, to make it available as that to all of the afghani refugees, so yes there were alot of extreme viewed people but when they came to the province they were refugees and yúnder attack. Now we have them their they are doing things that we do not agree with, but Pakistan cannot go in and indiscriminatly allianate the place since once again their are streams of refugees coming,,US want that to be open for them to have access to afghani border and millions of other reasons. As far as them being seperate, i will bet anything if you ask any pakistan living or born in that area they will still identify with pakistan, so i think you are getting a bit ahead of yuor self! Yes some terrorist groups live and train in Pakistan, and they should be stopped. But Pakistan is allowed an opinion on which group it perieve as how big a threath as well, i do not belive that it is the sole duty of US or any other individual country to decide that, and if tomorrow it classified some of the hindu right wings as terrorists then you would find that OTT as well.

From SPR

December 2, 2008 9:21 PM
To Bushra: You are acting very smart at the same time admitting ”I only agree with Pakistan is the victim of its own leaders". “Yes some terrorist groups live and train in Pakistan, and they should be stopped”. Your Gov not fixing these problems for ages but you expect Indians to sit at the borders? You are sounding like a girl who says “I am victim of our family. I spared my father who raped me, so I expect all of you as well to spare him, and lets be friendly among us ”. Kill your leaders first before talking here. We all owe responsibility of your leaders. Never quote Kashmir unless you get out of PoK. Don’t compare smartly your criminals with Indians and their Indian leaders . Pak Gov is training terrorists, since losing wars with Bangladesh , Kashmir wars decades back. So now you poisoned another generation with your fanaticism. Hate on India is your agenda for you and your Leaders always live on this force .An evil force it is so it’s working against your own interests at times, which you want to show as way to cover your faults. You made criminals and expect world to call them freedom fighters and hero’s so they do war for you. We get all nations including Muslim nations support this time. There is clear evidence about Pak role in many of these terror acts. There are phone calls, IP address of the e-mails. Evidence is there since 1993. Pak’s credibility has ended long time back. With every incident, Indian military, citizen is getting out of patience and out of control and soon you see they operate as per common man’s agenda of bombing on terror outfits in Pak land. When they do, you don’t have any other way left for you other than to vanish. All Muslims will support it. Know that Indian Muslim will be on the front ranks against Pak always. We saw them doing this every war. Let your leaders, extremists know Pak’s nukes, troop redeployments and US diplomacy CAN NOT stop Indians from bringing criminals to justice. If India and US starts banging terror camps from both sides, Pak has to run boarder to boarder. Pak know this very well, which is why your own and US media giving live commentary of Indian military moves.

From NFU

December 3, 2008 12:04 AM
A Statement by Concerned Citizens of India and Pakistan The truth about who are directly involved in this brutal incident and who could be the culprits behind the scene is yet to come out and we do not wish to indulge in any guesswork or blame game at this point. However, one is intrigued at its timing. Can it be termed a coincidence that it has happened on the day the Home Secretaries of the two countries concluded their talks in Islamabad and announced several concrete steps to move forward in the peace process, such as the opening of several land routes for trade - Kargil, Wagah-Attari, Khokhropar etc -, relaxation in the visa regime, a soft and liberal policy on the issue of release of prisoners and joint efforts to fight terrorism? Again, is it just a coincidence that on this fateful day the Foreign Minister of Pakistan was in the Indian capital holding very useful and productive talks with his Indian counterpart? One thing looks crystal clear. The enemies of peace and friendship between the two countries, whatever be the label under which they operate, are un-nerved by these healthy developments and are hell bent on torpedoing them. We are of the considered opinion that the continued absence of peace in South Asia - peace between and within states - particularly in relation to India and Pakistan , is one of the root causes of most of the miseries the people of the region are made to endure. It is the major reason why our abundantly resource-rich subcontinent is wallowing in poverty, unemployment, disease, and ignorance and why militarism, religious and sectarian violence and political, economic and social injustice are eating into the very vitals of our societies, even after more than six decades of independence from colonial rule. At this moment of unmitigated tragedy, the first thing we call upon the Governments of India and Pakistan to do is to acknowledge the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people of India and Pakistan ardently desire peace and, therefore, the peace process must be pursued with redoubled speed and determination on both sides. We urge upon the governments of India and Pakistan to immediately take the following steps: 1. Cessation of all hostile propaganda against each other; 2. Joint action to curb religious extremism of all shades in both countries; 3. Continue and intensify normalization of relations and peaceful resolution of all conflicts between the two countries; 4. Facilitation of trade and cooperation between the two countries and in all of South Asia . We welcome the fact that the Srinagar-Muzaffarab ad and Poonch-Rawlakot borders have been opened for trade and that the opening of the road between Kargil and Skardu is in the pipeline. 5. Immediate abolition of the current practice of issuing city-specific and police reporting visa and issue country-valid visa without restrictions at arrival point, simultaneously initiating necessary steps to introduce as early as possible a visa-free travel regime, to encourage friendship between the peoples of both countries; 6. Declaration by India and Pakistan of No First Use of atomic weapons; 7. Concrete measures towards making South Asia nuclear-free; 8. Radical reduction in military spending and end to militarisation. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/12/02-15

From Bushra

December 3, 2008 7:06 AM
Dearest SPR...you are exactly the reason I say do not speak to ignorant people because their beliefs are not built on facts but their own imaginations. You completely missed the point of everything I said, and please do not make any assumptions about my feelings about India and Indians, because its only hateful people like you who see them as seperate countries. Me and my friends do not differentiate between the two. As far as killing our leaders are concerned, you have just shown your immaturity, hatefullness and lack of understanding and I will not even dignify such stupidity with an answer. I have not called kashmiries freedom fighters or terrorist as I do not believe the situation is that black and white. If you are really that stupid that you think that the mumbai attacks were a Plan designed by all pakistanis and the government then your conspiracy theories have reached another dimension of ignorance. ALL muslims and the government condem this, the people who carried out these attacks are not fighting on behalf of Pakistan as a nation or the pakistanis......so why are you making it our fault as a nation. As for harboring terrorists since bangladesh and kashmir, I dont even have any idea what you are talking about??? You are the one filled with hat and resentment, my family is from india so please do not make any assumptions about me. For me India and Pakistan is the same and should be the same.... Obviously I was not able to convey my message so that you could understand it, so why dont you read NFU´s comment maybe you will learn something!

From Bushra

December 3, 2008 8:10 AM
One last thing before I leave this "discussion" for good, as I am finding the level of hatred and anti-national statements very distressing. Although thank you to everyone who is promoting understanding and co-operation makes me feel there is still hope for all of us to be unified and work togeher in the future. We should all conside do we want a regime of collective responsibility based on religion or nation? Would we want to hold every Cristian responsible for the jewish genocide? or the Muslim genocide in ex-jugoslavia? or the killings in ex-USSR? Do we want to hold every American responsible for things that happened in Vietnam? Iraq? Do we want to blame every Hindu for Gujrat? Samjoda Express? Without going through further examples of killings and tortures comitted by other nations or people belonging to a religion.........the question is why should every muslim be made to feel guilty of the actions of every other muslim or pakistani feel responsible for every action of another Pakistani. Majority of Muslims and in this case Pakistanis are trying to make their protest to be heard against these events and condems all the events that are done in the name of islam or Pakistan. Do not make it a war against Islam or Pakistan because then you will loose the support of muslims and Pakistani, keep it a war against terror......so we can all work together.

From SPR

December 3, 2008 2:07 PM
World is translating the evidences and Pak’s role is comming out already. So now are you proposing working together with India at this stage? Of course now there is little option for your leaders. What you are showing fits into a typical criminal pmindset. Pak denied their role all these years till the time there is no evidence. YOu are distancing itself when it is weak and now evidence is getting stronger, you can destroy even getting into the extent of killing families of these criminals. If you are not successful you can finally disown them to save your face. You are proposing now so you can get ahead of us play your game well. And we go by the evidence not by your words. We have given few planes to our special forces to move and kill these criminals quickly. Now terror camps at is PoK are just reachable. Pak either can welcome but we know your leaders crib at India. It’s up to the progressive minds in the Pak to decide wisely and carefully.

From Amit Chaudhery

December 3, 2008 3:30 PM
The plain vanilla truth is this : semitic religions are 100& intolerant, exclusivist and violent, resting on the concept of a jealous God. Islam in particular is violent and intolerant, regardless of its tone and tenor. They keep saying not all Muslims are terrorists, but strangely, across the globe, all terrorists are Muslims.We in India are at the nadir of our great Hindu civilization ; the lifeblood, the essential sap is gone over a thousant years of slavery, in-fighting and passivity.Added to this are the viruses of political correctness, 'secularism' and appeasement of a minority which is growing in numbers.Wherever Muslims are in a minority, they harp on secularism while sneaking up to terrorism. As soon as they come to be in a majority, they want their Shariat and all the attendant midieavel prscriptions it carries.History and current world developments are testimony to these hard truths. Is Islam inherently violent, regressive and intolerant or does it just have bad followers ? I do not know. Someone raised the point of the country's Muslims being backward. Who is to blame ? Nobody prevents them from eduicating themselves or joining the mainstream. It is they alone who prefer to opress their female population, follow madarssa education,follow their illiterate and crazy mullahs and generally be an antithesis to the 21 century.Unfortunately, we are reaping the foolishness of men like Gandhi and Nehru as much as present day politicos : of letting them stay on here in India. In 1947 they took Pakistan from us, drawing it out in blood. They should all have been sent to the Islamic homeland as Jinnah had touted it.The wheel has come full circle. An impotent, incoherent, enfeebled and intellectually effete civilization like India ridden by scoundrels in the bureaucracy and political structure has no hope. This truly is, the 'Continent of Circe' !! And we, the people, in a twisted way are scripting our own doom.

From Amit Chaudhery

December 3, 2008 3:47 PM
Post Script : 1.Ultimately, the battle for the world is the battle of Ideas. Every human institution (including religion) is an idea. Any idea which discourages discussion, debate, openness, dissent is fundamentally and intellectually flawed. It will be shrouded in Tamas, hellish for adherents and shall attract only those of a base calibre. This can be extrapolated to any religion, any situation and any people. Blind followers of any faith are a curse on earth. 2.We can go on fighting, with each side levying increasing damage on the other. We can take an eye for an eye and the whole wotrld will become blind OR we, despite inherent and irreconcilable differences, can try and exist in peace. The fact is that no one religion, nation or people can ever paint the world in its colour. The idea that it can is food for fools. 3.People like Bushra make sense in parts. Much as we may hate these Muslims, they did not parachute down from somewhere. As converts to an intolerant faith, they have long denied their ancestry, their seed. But they share our DNA, their ancestors were from among us : Aryan or Dravidian. And Hindus.From their Prophet's time until the decline of the Mughals the Arab world (which is their epicentre) was in awe of India. The Prophet himself is reported to have said that India is a light of the world.So,the point is we should decide the world we want : celebrate our differences or rue them. Who would you vote for Dara Shikoh or the bastard Aurangzeb ? We can destroy the world or we can create a loving family of civilizations. Unfortunately, at best, there is a tie !!

From SRP

December 4, 2008 7:35 PM
Really a surprise for me!. Look at the question “… is why every Muslim should be made to feel guilty of the actions of every other Muslim or Pakistani feel responsible for every action of another Pakistani”. Hinduism says one receives part of the sin and punishment if he/she helps a criminal even unknowingly. There is a story where once upon a time a man donates food to all in the village as an act of charity. Those who accepts donation includes a hungry criminal. And the donor who offers food unaware of the crime - also receives a part of the sin and qualifies for the punishment. This explains what is called moral responsibility which intern can discourage crime in the society. Does Islam has this? On the contrary, I heard about Islam concept of disowning wife when she is unfaithful. Disowning relatives when they are criminals. Surprisingly I heard father disowns son when son convicted as terrorist. My straight question to all Islam followers. Isn’t others from the family of the criminals, religious leaders of the community EVER felt guilty before disowning a criminal. OR IT is as simple to disown. Do they mean if someone does crime GOD punishes him. Or it is headache of the Kings/Ruler to collect evidence, convict and punish. Is that right? Where is the moral responsibility of the fellow muslims acting?? Islam talks always about brotherhood. Even Hindu likes it. I think this is the one reason why they long for sufferings of Muslims elsewhere. But how can the same people can disown crime so easily and quickly??. Then what is the true meaning of brotherhood. So when a Muslim question “ why should every Muslim be made guilty?” I as a Hindu wonder “are you not guilty to even NOW? Don’t not inclined to take responsibility, even after unknown peoples get killed so brutally by same religious people? What is this hangover towards this religion? “if not you - who else Islam asks to take moral responsibility of these happenings? Is it your prophet, Jesus of Christians?? or Allah himself??. Is it is Allah??, I can understand why Allah never incarnated so far in the muslim world like a Hindu claims his GOD does again and again. Allah might be totally guilty- eternally :)” If no muslim felt the need to take for all this mess till now means - there is BIG BIG BIG flaw in the way you interpret your religion and Holy books. You need to revamp totally,completely.

From SPR

December 5, 2008 1:23 AM
To Amit: 1)Its myth to think "..if we can take an eye for an eye and the whole world will become blind". Come what may, we should bring justice and truth. We have to adapat violence if needed to stop this crime on innocent and unrelated. 2)We know our DNA are common. Unfortunately DNA never stopped crime. It is not helping us to live in peace. We thought when a Muslim nation get created, things will stop. No. We are wrong. There is still crime for nd state. DNA didnt help our neibhours turning out to be truthful and nonviolent. It is not helping Pak leaders to stop militarize PoK , inject hate on India, teach separatism among Kashmiris against India an union of states.DNA never prevented LeT like outfits to mix crime and religion and DNA never made Pak to return these criminals to India. DNA is not making Pak to to discriminate crime verses religion. So let’s not lenient on criminals and their supporters as DNA is same. Let’s Fight with crime and punish criminals- not matter of DNA says. This is what every religion told time to time. If you are a Hindu ,you should knowing this very well. So we should not have slightest of doubt on when to fight and with whom to fight. 3) "As converts to an intolerant faith, they have long denied their ancestry, their seed". So whats the problem? So did we ever prevented them to return back to their roots? Is this a reason for us to forgive their mistakes?. Thats a stupidity.

From Rita

December 6, 2008 7:30 PM
India must ensure that this is the last attack on the innocent people. This cannot carry on. Pak has to answer and the world has to push against terrorism. Take a look at the images of the attack. http://www.kanbal.com/index.php?/Latest/mumbai-terror-attack-images.html No more life can be given for the evil terrorism

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From tarika

December 9, 2008 3:32 PM
Each one of us now has a way to channel our anger and frustration into something positive to help those whose lives have been shattered by these attacks. Click on the link below to make a secure online donation to the victims from anywhere in the world. http://www.giveindia.org/give/pledgepage/HelpMumbai Let's show these people that they haven't been forgotten!

From SRP

December 15, 2008 4:33 PM
We have to support victims and also innocent Muslims across the sub continent who lost all credibility due to few criminals and perverted leaders. Muslim fraternity of entire Pakistan is going to face the loss of credibility going forward.Their ignorance and blind belief on criminals under the name of religions and nationality now came to dead-end after this terror backdrop. Suddenly a Pakistani citizen woke up realizing entire world in in various languages is delivering the same message against their leaders and Pakistan. But lets not forget one more important thing. Apart from supporting innocents, We also have to prevent such incidents at the first place. So fight against crime is all the more important to safeguard future generations from these criminals. 'A stitch in time saves nine'. attacking criminals will solve 80% of the crime in th short run effectively; through remaining 20% of the problem will stay on for the time being as political intergrity of Hindus of India and economical conditions of the Muslims need to be addressed. Till then logistical and ideological support to criminals from inside the territory will keep popping up time to time and can cause troubles to both governments and civilians for years to come. On the global forums, we also have to fight against wrong interpretations of the religion, and its ill effects of geo-political consequences. Otherwise Pakistanis never delink terror -religion and religion-Kashmir, relations, especially delinking the later relationship is a hard concept for even educated Muslims of both countries without which this terror problem is never going to vanish completely. Indians should understand as this is the right time to question the roots of Pakistan and philosophy of its leaders like Zinna. Muslims of entire subcontinent has to introspect about philosophy of Pakistan and its inception -which is religious intolerance and separatism. History says Indian sub continent has states with Muslim population as majority. And they remain forever. Ex: Baluchistan, Kashmir and part of eastern Bengal. Indian concept of -union of states supported diversity of religions and it preserved social identities of all these states prior to partition. However a partition came and, everything started changing. Partition allowed to attach a cluster of states with a new name called 'Pakistan' –a name never associated with any culture or identify of its own. In the history ever move preserved the identify of member races and cultures? Except serving personal ambitions of few leaders like Zinna & and remaining military rulers who claimed formation of country without any philosophy and identify behind it. Is denial of a concept called union of states is a justification for forming new nation. Isn't deprived the identify of all the member races, who are centuries older than Pakistan? Obviously Muslims from Bengal, Kashmir and Baluchistan deserve the privilege what leaders of Pakistan’s Zinna&Co enjoyed. Its individual responsibility to fit into the exiting nation. Nations can’t fit into individual mindset. First of all, did they get citizenship of any neighbor muslin state having proper identity?. Still did they given a ‘brand new nation’ while they are not even sure of procuring a passport /citizen ship by any of the member states including Kashmir, Bengal. Didn’t British Raj -who ruled the sub continent for about 2 centuries and other high profile Indian leaders like Nehru’s, know that there is no ideology and rationale for agreeing to such week and impractical argument? Or did they have any hidden agenda and succumbed to their selfishness and allowed partition? Isn’t it a historical mistake for which future generations of the subcontinent are suffering for?. Do current generations need to rectify these historic mistakes and redraw boundaries? We know Germans reunited after grueling separation forced upon them for 5+ decades, which happened because of similar backdrop of confusion and lack of ideology while undergoing partition. Isn’t progressive mind of this sub continent to learn out of such episodes and showcase to the word and western nations our maturity and vision in solving such problems?

From sonali

December 21, 2008 7:14 PM
the terror attack which shockly took place in mumbai really shocked the the munbai. if we would be alert and behave in responsible manner this would not be happened and not the people alone is responsible for all this politians have a big share in this matter the money which was assited them for the welfare of our country they used that money for themselves . but we only gave them the vote. now we al should be united and we should fight agnist the terroism . gandiji said that god gave enough for his livelihood but not enough for man's greed.

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