Pachauri & Lomborg: eco-politics of climate change - Lab Rats

Pachauri & Lomborg: eco-politics of climate change

Seema Singh - Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:31 AM

The ambience was perfect-the flower island of Mainau in Lake Constance in southern Germany -- to debate the subject of ‘sustainability and climate change' with some 600 students, media persons and 23 Nobel laureates.

The panel couldn't have been better with the IPCC chairman RK Pachauri, atmospheric chemist and Nobel winner Mario Molina, German minister or science, education and research Q Thielen, Copenhagen business school professor (and often the contrarian stance holder) Bjorn Lomborg and others.

Pachauri (left) and Lomborg

And we finally got to hear what many in the developing world have been waiting to hear - Pachauri taking a stance publicly (he said - ‘I make a statement here.') on the developed world making deeper cuts in carbon emissions.

"The developed world never had to pay a price (in terms of emission costs) for economic development which the developing world is now facing," he said.

It was as much a battle of wits as of facts. And a discussion which surprisingly began with Lomborg agreeing with Pachauri (they almost never agree on climate issues) and others on the seriousness of climate change soon had them in disagreement. Opinions flew thick and fast with the moderator Geoffrey Carr, science editor of The Economist, mocking the global investment in fusion research and Bern University professor Thomas Stocker critiquing the efforts of geo-engineering.

Funnily, those folks didn't realize that several stalwarts of basic research were right there in the audience. And before anyone could react, Roger Tsien, winner of 2008 chemistry Nobel, picked up the microphone: (pix below) in defense of basic research.

Roger Tsien

Merely expecting "smart" technologies is not enough, he said, referring to the denigration of fusion and geo-engineering research. "When quantum mechanics was developed nobody knew that it'd become inevitable for environmental science," Tsien said.

In fact, 2005 Nobel winner Richard Shrock from MIT had earlier spoken about how basic research in chemistry would help the much-sought after artificial photosynthesis to split water into hydrogen and water.

((I wondered if Indian chemists had any such research roadmap. Of all the basic science disciplines in India, chemistry is taken up by the largest number of students. Do you know why? "It's cheap to study chemistry [in comparison to biology or physics]," chemistry professor Gautam Desiraju of Hyderabad University once told me.))

Coming back to the discussion, those like Lomborg felt nothing much would be achieved in Copenhagen, and "we'll waste 10 more years"; but Pachauri sounded optimistic. The world has changed since Kyoto and the public pressure would force the politicians to come to a consensus.

Molina, the polite scientist whose life has not been the same since he discovered the ozone hole 25 years ago, was convincing everybody that it's not right to confuse climate change with global warming -- the former is about irreversible changes to the climate like altering the arctic ice, Himalayan glaciers or thermohaline circulation in the oceans.

As the meeting came to a conclusion today, it raised more questions than it could answer. Nothing unusual in a climate change debate I guess!

 

 

 

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From Marcelo

July 4, 2009 2:11 AM
Seema, Yours was so far the only post I've been able to lacte about the talk on Mainau. Do you plan to write more extensively about it? Cheers, Marcelo

From Ravi M

July 4, 2009 9:43 AM
> The developed world never had to pay a price (in terms of emission costs) > for economic development which the developing world is now facing I find myself somewhat conflicted about the whole, "The developed world abused the atmosphere to get where they are now, and ought to do more/compensate the developing world." tack of thought. It would appear that any emissions that the developed world did _before_ it became clear that they could be the cause of catastrophic climate change ought to be discounted, because they didn't know it could cause all this harm. Do you have a sense of when the "cutoff date" is, beyond which excessive emissions are "inexcusable" (as I've defined it!)? I don't know much about the history of anthropogenic climate change research, but if (for example) we take 1990 as the year when the scientific consensus on this emerged, then they're only on the hook for post-1990 emissions. You can't really hold their feet to the fire for pre-1990 activities. Anyway, fascinating, informative and thought-provoking series of posts "from the land of the Nobels" and otherwise, and look forward to more.

From Seema Singh

July 5, 2009 9:53 AM
Marcelo: Good to hear from you. I don't think there's much to write from that panel discussion in Mainau in terms of climate change. Honestly, I was a bit disappointed. Would have loved more fiery exchanges between the panelists. I think Carr could have done more to provoke the speakers :) Though I must say you missed the atmosphere. It was picturesque and inspiring.

From Seema Singh

July 5, 2009 9:56 AM
Ravi: Thanks, glad to know people are reading. I agree with you but have no clear idea what's the cutoff date. In fact someone (maybe Pachauri or Mario Molia) said that all countries have to bring it down by 80% by 2050. But we all know that kind of cut or any other in near future is not going to stop the change that has already begun, any time soon.

From subah

July 6, 2009 10:29 PM
For short-term, lets hope the geo-engineering folks get some break-through and for the long-term, Moore's law should do the trick.

From Subah

July 6, 2009 10:41 PM
One very important point that gets ignored is about the distinction between climate change and global warming. Kyoto and likes have failed because of excess attention that politicians and media have given to relatively superficial issue of global warming. Hopefully likes of Mr. Pachauri will understand this distinction and get the attention to where it belongs - climate change. Many observations have already done the background work to identify few of 'brewing' disaters and then agreement on an action plan including funding will be far easier to achieve.

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