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I have never heard of Savita Bhabhi before they banned it. Thanks to the indian government for making me curious. I will sure check it out now and debase our chaste culture a little more :-)

Sushmitaji you never disappoint. So here we go again with your weekly recipe of India-bashing, topped off with a healthy dose of liberal left propaganda and garnished in fake humour. The only thing missing in todays menu is your favourite dessert: Indian male bashing (and white male glorifying). Lagta hai ki aap dessert lana bhool gayi aaj. Koi bath nahi - ab comments me lik dijeye. Aap ke sari chamchiya zor se taali bhajayenge.

Surely, this is not the one I want to hear from you.No doubts comments will keep coming, but will do no good to the society.Anyhow, this is not one forum we discuss matters related to sex only, I hope you will raise some social and national issues in ur posts in future.All the best..

I am glad, that it has been banned, because it showed indian women wrongly. @Sushmita, I would appreciate, if you could do something, about the daily massage ads in newspapers like HT and TOI. These newspapers are family newspapers, and they too show women with vulgourity.

ends - right on point!

hahahahahhahahhahahahahohohohohohohohohohohehehehehehehehehe to all comments - Indian hypocrisy at its best - with the exception from RightAgain and RK,

Its hypocrisy at its worst. Govt. allows Ballika Vadhu to glorify chid marriages but rushes instead to ban a website while the internet is full of porn and other such crap.

Sri, you can't access the site any more I hear. But am sure you will be able to get DVDs or VCDs or, who knows, maybe even blu rays from the Palika :)

@Pawandeep, dude, you know there are specific pick-up spots for young boys near Priya Cinema in Vasant Vihar? Do you know who picks them up? Married women with kids!!! I know many lads who make extra pocket money. There are many other spots but I personally know of this place. Before you pronounce judgement I want to say this is only a matter of demand and supply. This has been happening for many years, tis nothing new. Do you also know that male strippers are very much a reality? Newspapers do reports on them all the time. (There was a Hindi movie on this too. Can anyone help me with the name?) many of the strippers go all the way with the ladies for a certain price tag. Get a reality check my friend.

Dear Arvind, valid point but I have to say Delhi will pale in comparison to what happens in Kolkata. The number of pick-ups here by married women will outstrip Delhi any day! By the way, this just proves we can teach a thing or two to the so-called liberated Westerners!

Arvind, lol, even I have heard of that famous paan shop at the Basantlok Market that is The Hot Spot :)

It sure is double standards displayed time and again by the men in power. I mean I agree with you Sushmita that one should be able to decide what he or she wants to see and the government has no right to decide what is acceptable as long as no one is harmed. If anyone thinks that pornography will increase crime against women , well , it can also decrease crime against women . Many Indian men are so frustrated with the repression in our society that probably pornography is a way to vent their feelings .I think the double standards has to do with pseudo moralists like the Shiv Sena , the Ram Sena , some Christian groups and also some Islamic groups . What is Indian culture anyways ? I mean we are the land of Kamasutra and we have the world’s second highest population . Need I say more ? We only know how long it took for homosexuality to cease being a crime in India ( if it actually did ) By the way , I had like to point out one more thing even though it is out of context here but I am doing so since this new blog is where the action is . Remember me talking about the fact there are as many perverse white men as perverse Indian men . Two weeks back , my wife was walking behind two friends of mine and me and she was talking to another friend of mine . They were quite behind and this guy is short. Three blond guys started harassing her and strangely , the other guy did not notice. She did not shout or tell me anything in spite of people on the street watching in horror . She did not tell me anything since those guys did not get physical and she knows how violent I can be if someone messes with my family or anyone close to me . So, she ran fast and then held my hand and those guys left. She then told me this and I asked her to show me these guys but she said they left . Usually , all such problems in Germany are attributed to young Turkish guys but these guys were not Turkish . They were either German or other white guys . If this happened in India , and a white woman was the subject of this , it would be the act of perverse Indian men . There was another incident recently in Germany , where a white racist German man stabbed an Arab woman to death ( she was pregnant )in court because she had complained about his racial taunts. It still beats me how he could do that in court. He is in jail now though . However, the western media hushed the whole incident ( cause it is shameful for them ) . I mean it was in the papers but not as much as one would expect it to be . Double standards eh

@Arvind, there are many cases, as you pointed out, but in delhi itself, I cannot imagine the figure to be more than .01% of the total delhi population. I donot personaly know anyone doing this. I donot like massage advertisements on newspapers, because we encourage kids to read these newspapers, for general knowledge purposes, and they must be reading all this stuff. I think it should be banned.

Pawandeep , If people or kids want to get their hands on anything ,they will . Banning everything is not the solution . Everything is very open here in Germany and Germany has the lowest rape rates in the world . There are pictures of topless women in many newspapers and magazines and yet children here do not seem to be going around and attacking women . A woman can walk all by herself in most parts of Germany even at 3am unlike India or the USA. So , don't give me crap

@M I was just saying that it would be better if these are banned in daily english newspapers like HT or TOI, because they use the words .."errotic massage", "sensual massage" etc. These ads can be placed in other magzines etc. I am not saying that just by looking at these ads, indian kids would attack any women, but I know a class 10, boy just for curiousity called at one of these numbers, and went on to a place near green park with his friend, and they both were made fool, Rs.1000 which they were having with them was looted.

Well Pawandeep , I understand what you are trying to say but not having these ads will not do any good . Because, you or I cannot stop prostitution including forced prostitution . Young kids like that boy if they are stupid enough or horny enough will try to explore various options . Whether you add erotic or sensual to it does not really matter because if you have the word massage, that is enough to make some minds think dirty . Do you get me ? A perverted mind will get excited even if he sees a woman in a burqa . We Indians are ready to ban anything at the drop of a hat . Banning is not always the answer. What our leaders need to do is to spend a few weeks in different successful countries and see how things are run . Like I said , I do not see German kids going and getting duped because of the various photos or adds they see. Our society my friend is repressed and that is the root cause of why there are so many rapes and why women are treated badly . Of course a lot of rapes happen in the west too but that is not the point . The point is that banning erotica will not make things better. It will make things worse. We are repressed enough as a society

Pawandeep: The Classifieds section of newspapers do indeed carry these ads, and nobody will ever drop them because they get in money (esp now, when ad revenues are down). Unless, of course, there is a ban in place! And btw, I don't think the Class X boy went to Green Park just out of curiosity :)

Arvind: The name of the movie was Oops, it was directed by Deepak Tijori. A few years ago, the girls in my team were asked to do story on male strippers. The brief was: we had to call up some number and say we were organising a bridal shower for someone, ask for 2 strippers, watch the show, take pictures (hidden camera!) and write about it. We almost got the story, but apparently the strip club operator got suspicious since one girl called from a landline and this chap found out it belonged to a newspaper office! And yes, during the first conversation we had, we were asked "to what extent" we wanted the men to "perform". Lol! It was then that we realised how easy -- and common -- getting male strippers is!

@Sushmita, These are reputed Indian dailies, and for the sake of revenue they should not encourage it. If revenue is going to be the sole criteria, then there is no need for true journalism, and they can publish whatever rubbish, generate revenue for these newspapers.

Pawandeep: Hum aapke saath hain. I totally support this ban on this sleazy Savitha Bhabhi website - shabash to our sarkar! We dont have xxx magazines or tv channels in India so why should we allow xxx websites? These days every 2nd standard student can jump on the internet and it is important for govt to support parents by banning such websites. Ban all such erotic websites or atleast establish an iron clad method to check someones age before allowing them to see it - that is my stand.

First of all I agree with everything M has just said. I can also bet these people who want to curb and type of XXX material are the very same people who are into sex big time. Sorry to say but as is common with indians, they are hypocrits when it comes to such things. Also who made these people "tekedars" and take it unto themselves to decide what is or isn't right for society, they should live and let live. Why don't they worry about more important things in India like women getting burned for dowry or attacked on the streets and the exploding population of India. XXX material is one thing, but what is wrong with teaching sex education in schools? I don't think India's population would have been so big if people knew all about their bodies and that going through puberty is a natural thing which brings with it a natural curiosity for the opposite sex. But even there our so called "indian culture" has a problem. I guess women being attacked and exploding population of India is all part of Indian culture I guess, hehehehe?.

@RightAgain: I do not know what kind of a make-believe world you live in, so can you please get real? I suggest you take a walk around the innards of Delhi, with your eyes open, mind you, and have look at the kind of XXX stuff on display. There are magazines, DVDs, live shows, and many of them are desi. Anybody here can access XXX stuff on the Internet, so what are you talking about? Do you know that in Net cafes XXX sites are the most visited ones? How many sites will the government ban? The more you ban something, the more sordid and perverted people turn out to be. @Kiran: Well said!

My point is: Savita Bhabhi has been shown the door because it "misrepresents" Indian culture. If we actually start believing that savitabhabhi.com can deal a body blow to our culture, we don't even have the right to say we have a strong culture. Shushmita - you are so true in saying this.....

arvind: I am living in the real world and I have sufficient intellect to differentiate between illegal activities and legal activities. XXX magazines, movies, prostitution are ILLEGAL in India. Of course everybody knows that law is not enforced properly but that is not an reason to make all such sleazy illegal activities as legal. Going with your insane logic theft, rape and murder should also be legal because these activities occur anyway. So why dont YOU wake up and start thinking out of the box instead of simply aping the west and doing whatever they do?

Kiran: It is very obvious that you dont know India at all. Our over-population is not because of lack of sex education in schools. It is because most of our people are not educated at all and they want to have more children who can work all day and bring home the food. It is because they keep having children until they get a male child. It is because some religions believe that they can one day dominate india by reproducing heavily now. Wake up lady.

"But why dictate what others can or cannot watch or see or experience in a free country?" What does the author think of ppl who like to circulate MMS of intimate moments with their girlfriends and many others who like to see it? There are some things are meant to be private. Period.

Right again , I do agree that overpopulation does also have to do with the desire for the male child but bear in mind that sex education also has a major role to play . For example , many Muslims keep having children in spite of probably getting a male child . It has to do with the silent Jihad but it is not just any religious group who does that . India's majority comprises Hindus and Hindus in states like UP also breed like rabbits. It is not a religious problem but a nationwide problem except say in states like Kerala where sense has prevailed.The same applies to rural areas where many people are not discouraged from having more children because some crappy politicians just want votes. There was a report that said some politicians even offered incentives to people who had more children just to garner votes. If you say that you want XXX sites to be banned, let me first ask you one thing ? Have you ever visited adult sites or watched adult movies ? If you are honest enough ,I know that the answer is yes and if the answer is yes, stop preaching . The more you ban something , the more repressed we will be . What is this talk about protecting kids? The truth is that you cannot protect your kids beyond a certain age. Besides, these days , children evolve faster when it comes to sex et al . You cannot stop it . If you really want to ban everything , go and live among the Taliban . There, you will not have all these modern vices but of course, you will have to behave like abnormal men beating up women and ensuring that they are subservient to you . What do you want ? That or to live in a civilized world . To compare rape and XXX sites similar is stupidity to say the least. I mean with rape , you are harming someone . By viewing XXX sites, you are at the most satisfying your urges . It is a vicarious form of sex for many men in India and everywhere in the world . They can view erotica and masturbate. It is better than having no option and attacking women on the street. It is not Kiran who has to wake up . It is people like you . The fucking Ram Sena , Shiv Sena and the Taliban .

Matt: I'm sorry, but I don't quite get the connection between online porn and MMS-ing of intimate moments. Please explain. I had no idea that watching porn -- which is a commercial sector and a very successful one at that -- and watching an MMS that is captured on hidden camera without the consent of the person concerned are one and the same thing. Wow!

M: All the opponents of Savita Bhabhi must have gone online and checked out the site in great detail before starting to complain, lol!

Hello, I think Right Again has forgotten the Kamasutra and Indian culture himself and trying hard to embrace Victorian morality. He should go and live in Buckingham Palace.

Sushmita , By the way , I forgot to add something . Remember, I argued that there were as many perverts among western men as among Indian men. I somehow feel that we have more hypocrites in India than anywhere else . For example , I have noticed that the Dutch have the least number of hypocrites when it comes to issues like these .

I mean the Netherlands has *

Why does M write so much?
Savita Bhabhi blew my mind when I first came across the site. I was FASCINATED! Desi porn! Woah! And damn cheesy too. Most of the stories brought huge grins to my face :D
Then it got boring. But whatever. All hail Savita, the pioneer :D
and HT ran a story highlighting the Save Savita campaign the other day. FUN!
and damn right too, the last bit in Sushmita's post about Indian culture's implied frailty. reminded me how, early 2006, Catholics worldwide made a huge panga about the supposedly blasphemous film - The da Vinci Code. I was like, er, if a two hour movie can wipe away a 2000 year old religion, then it isn't much of a religion, is it?
Long live Savita. And bad reality shows. and Satanic Verses. Cheers to irreverence.

I write so much because I am allowed to and to express my opinion . Do you have a problem with that Abhiroop ? :) It is not only the Catholic church that creates problems but also Hindu organizations and Muslim organizations . Remember some Hindus crying foul when there were some Vedic chants or so in the movie Eyes wide shut ? The movie was pretty good actually . Then , Muslims going berserk when some Danish guys came up with some cartoons. I mean come on get serious . If you do not like something and it is not harming you , and it is not done in front of you , why have a problem . I still could not write as much as you wrote in the last post Abhiroop .

@Right again...you yourself just proved what I said, my point was that a lack of any type of education whether it be sex and all is what is the cause of overpopulation. You said I need to wake up, why don't you go and tell that to all the poor people, who are living in the past, why do the need to have so many kids? If a woman keeps on producing girl childs they will blame her for it, or if she is barren again they will blame her for it, and if sex education was readily available they would know who's fault it really is, got that. Again M, I really don't have to say much you pretty much talk just like me I couldn't have said it better. I think things like this are just plain dirty politics to control the poor unfortuante uneducated souls so that the ones at the top can enjoy power and control. Right again doesn't understand that like alot of peopel in india, that surpressing sex will not cleanse india society but will only make it worse where it will bust out in the back alleys of so called "indian culture" which is why rape is so prevalent there.

Don't we love living in denial? We do not report rapes because the women will not get married (a fate worse than death, that is supposed to be 'culture'). We will overlook pressing problems like education and infrastructure, and get agitated because youngsters are watching savita bhabhi, when youngsters are watching hard-core porn in any case! By repressing what comes naturally we are creating a society full of frustrated souls. This is why there is so much of sleaze around in India. We will continue to pretend that sleaze does not exist of course!

Kiran , Thanks and Arvind , you nailed it mate . We may be fucking our own cousins but we will still say that XXX sites are bad. That is the level of hypcorisy in India .

I don't know about sex sites, but I think this one is sure being controlled. I can't even write a post properly and say what I have to say without it getting deleted and can only post once a day and that too a few lines. I guess the people for this site must not like my views, why the hell even have a discussion forum if you want to control how much and what people can say, for God's sake. That's indian sites for you. But its good M is posting he says pretty much what I think also. I guess they monitor IP addresses or something.

M,Kiran,et al: You can all say whatever you want here. Does not really matter because talk is cheap and action is what counts. The govt has acted and I applaud that action and as a voter I am pleased. At the end of the day I will stand in line and vote for such a govt while the rest of you sit in Germany or US or Dubai and talk. So keep talking people and then go home and sleep - we are awake and we are acting and our actions are seen by everyone.

Kiran , Well , that is a problem with many sites and not just Indian sites . Censorship may be warranted sometimes but most of the time , it is really unwarranted for . It is not that you are not allowed to post more than once a day or you cannot post many lines. I found a way around it ( if you read my post long back ) . For example , this site does not like the use of the word homosexual . Use gay . After all , all this stupid censorship is set up by people who then depend on the system to play the watchdog . So , just beat the system . Computers are after all the creation of man . So , the reason why many of your lines were not posted was because you used some word the system did not like . Have a good one .

Right again . I am still an Indian citizen and have the same kind of rights you have . I may not be able to vote at times because of my circumstances not that it would really matter given that we have a zillion idiots in India who would counter vote. However, don't rest on your laurels .The Indian government has only banned Savita Bhabhi . Make sure it bans all XXX sites but before you make sure it is done ,don't forget to take one last look at the site and masturbate .lol

HA HA HA HA HA HA HO HO HO HO HA HA HA Here's to self-enlightened members of the Indian electorate who cast their votes based on whether the ruling party has banned a PORN SITE!!!!! Emerging super-power, eh? HA HA HA HA

@Pawandeep, I would like to beg to differ disrespectfully about ur observations that Savitha Bhabhi showed Indian women negatively. Do you mean its all right to show women from the rest of the world disrespectfully and in a vulgar way? I also think the men around cannot digest the fact that Savitha is so amoral. It would have been ok if a man had been doing all this. Everyone would have had a good laugh. Such hypocrisy! Who has told these self-appointed moral guardians that Indian women dont have a sex drive?

ha ha . I just checked out the site ( I am in Germany ) and I wonder what is on this site that warrants a ban ? Doesn't our government have better things to do ? Anyways , what can I say.I just read today that some Judge in the Supreme court said that a mother in law kicking her daughter in law cannot be considered cruel enough so as for the act to come under the purview of some cruelty law . Speaks volumes about the caliber of some of the people at the helm in India

@M-when trying to post, I don't think I uses any word that was inappropriate, now these people have problems with such words (well you know which one I'm talking about the one that starts with "s"). I don't know maybe I must have used it too many times in trying to post my previous posts, so I don't understand what I'm supposed to say without saying it! Maybe we should come up with code words. Sheesh, then they say India is coming of age, my foot!

I don't understand why some people here are even linking "s" with indian culture anyways. What has "s" got to do with indian culture? Just like how food, water, clothing, shelter are basic human biological needs, so is "s". "S" is a natural human biological process that all species on earth go through, so are indians different from other species on the planet? I don't think so, and if they are then sorry to say they aren't normal. What culture are we talking about anyways? Lets just take the example of a newly married couple (arranged marriage of course) and the guy who has beein holding all his "s"ual urges in comes in on his suhaag raat and unleashes all his "s"ual tensions because he has been forbidden by a society to even view harmless "s" sites, or even videos and magazines which are completely harmless. People like right again need to understand that if people are viewing these kinds of sites or material there is nothing so abormal about it or opposed to indian culture for that matter. They are just relieving "s"ual tension which is a normal part of being human. What separates humans from animals are emotions, for humans having "s"ual urges are not just a biological need but emotions as well. My husband told me when he was growing up in India he couldn't even so much as say "hello" or "good-bye" to girl without the hell being raised. I mean God made men and women to live together yes, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be guidlines or limits placed on what is or isn't appropriate behavior but if you restrict a basic need like "s" too much its going to come out in other ways, namely an unusual high number of attacks which is the case in India. Its like eating food, if you go too long without eating and when you finally get your hands on it, you will devour the food like a hog and eat like there is no tommorrow. M did say one thing very correctly, I know for a fact that in Europe the number of attacks on women are much less compared to other parts of the world, because there people are very relaxed and casual about "s", even here in the US and Canada we aren't as laid back about it and tend to giggle about. Any fool can see that any society that is more laid back about these things the assaults on women are not as much as countries like India. Now before anyone says to me then what should we do let Indian become a loose society like the west, well no. But aleast here if people do have things like one night stands and there is an advance made by a man towards a woman at least its mutual and welcomed whereas in India whether a girl wants it or not, men will undress her with their eyes and she can't even walk in the streets without prying eyes, because all those men are so "s"ually frusterated. So the answer to all these problems is let people both men and women let out their tensions in a harmless manner which has got nothing to do with culture, and yes this might come as a surprise to most people that women also have urges, like I said its all part of being human but biologically men tend to have higher drives than women otherwise the population of the world would have been 10 times higher. I guess something similar is also happening in India. Usually its people like right again who make the most noise and are the ones, who look at other peoples daughters and sister with a perverted mind. Here in US I can wear anything and no one will look at me (not that I dress to revealingly) but when I was in India I had to be covered from head to toe and protected by the male members of my family from prying eyes, why? Isn't that supposed to be the country where women are respected? That's indian culture for you.

M thanks for the advice, I had no idea that certain words were sensitive to the posting. I can't believe it. Being from Canada and US its not big deal to me to talk so freely using certain words. thanks once again, now it won't so frusterating.

This site just proved that what I'm saying is true. I highly doubt that small children are going to come here be interested in posting their views about whatever we are discussing, because its too boring for them. We can't even have a proper conversation in here like mature adults without some posts getting deleted because some words are not appropriate. Good ridance. Some people said that "s" and all these things are not related to Indian culture, well can I ask then were did the huge population of india come from? Don't tell me that a some white foreigners came from abroad and got all the indian women pregnant. If these things are not part of indian culture then all babies should be born through artificial insemination. I mean if indian culture is trying to say that its only okay for married people to do it behind closed doors just because they have performed a marriage ceremony for the society and now have a got a license to do it that doesn't make any sense. There is a difference between being married and being husband/wife. Not that I condone sex before marriage, but I would rather support the couple who are in love and have feelings for eachother but have physcial intimacy and are not married, rather than a married couple like in my earlier post, who have no feelings but just raw animalisitic instincts to do it. Also as far as hypocricy runs, do I have some own examples of mine. When I was growing up, and say if my brother,sister and I were watching tv and while flipping the channels we came upon a hot steamy scene, my mom would get all mad and hyper and accuse of wanting to watch it on purpose thinking it will corrupt our minds, and then should would make some excuse send us out of the room and then watch it herself! That's hypocricy for you. She'd try to justify watching it by saying she wanted to see what was wrong with it as if she's doing some kind of research on it. I'd be like "mom why don't you just admit that you got all horny and turned and can't help yourself from watching it!" simple as that sheeesh. For me it would be no big deal since having grown up in this country we becomse so accustomed to these things that we don't react much to it and aren't all up arms about it just at the mention of "S". How about another even worse example. One time we were at my mom's brother's house and he's married with kids and everything, and this uncle of mine is closer to my age since he's so much younger than my mom. Well and he and my sister were wrestling with eachother throughout the house and he had his hands all over from behind and front, falling on the ground and banging into walls. My husband and I sat there in shock just watching what was happeing anyone would have been who would have seen it, because we thought that was no way to behave with a 21 year old girl. If anyone like that other than my daughter's boyfriend or husband behaved like that with her my husband and I would break his bones. I confronted my mom about this later and she just smiled and said "oh mama and niece are just having a good time", I was like what the hell. What more can I say to a woman who can see everything but is blind to it. Its not okay for us to watch harmless steamy scenes on tv, but an actual real scene happening in front of us is okay, wow!! M or someone here said something about screwing your own cousins here, well here is another example. Its not okay to have romantic feelings for a boyfriend who might go on to become your husband but its okay for a male blood relative to touch his own niece. I won't say but have I heard actual stories of "keeping it in the family" I guess that's indian culture again for you. When I got married against my own wishes my dad was like "you just did our mooh kaala" and all that but had I married someone of their choice who I didn't even know or love, but fallen victim to his physical lust on the first night and taken the wrath for his frusterations that would have been okay. I guess that's what we mean by indian culture. I guess that's what has happened in india especially in the lower or poor class. These people don't produce children out of love by expressing it physically but just basic animal mating instincts, just like how wild animals can't be stopped so can't the population of india I guess. That's what I meant earlier by "s" education, and that not just young teens but the parents need to understand that there is an age both for boys and girls especially boys that they are going to be at their "s"ual peak and being attracted towards the opposite is normal but that doesn't necessarily mean they have to go do anything and if viewing XXX sites and videos help relieve that tension then no harm done, its all normal. I guess right again isn't normal, my observation is that people like him are the ones we women have to be careful of when walking in the streets. What a hypocrit, giving all nonsense sermons, why doesn't he also stop eating food, I'm sure with some effort he can control himself, haha.

correction above, "when I got married against my parents wishes"

Kiran, I wish you'd do a proper, line-by-line correction of the English in your messages. Your contributions would then be three times as long as they now are, and would provide any school teacher in Delhi with enough teaching material for at least a year.

@gollum well I'm not teaching in a school now am I? All I'm doing as everyone else here,is just expressing what I think about the issue at hand. When doing so, in such a discussion I don't always have to be grammatically correct now do I? It's not as if I'm writing a college essay that has to be graded, and when writing I might be typing so fast and quickly that its normal to miss words, or sound a bit off. Thanks anyways that you thought that my writing is enough to be worthy of teaching material though. I second that emotion.

darn it! i never heard of savitha bhabhi or her antics until now. so I completely missed out this website and now its gone :-( sushmita: could u please publish a list of such famous & "interesting" indian websites so that i can catch up before they are gone?

Hey there seems to be a lot of liberal and outspoken ladies around here. So this question is to them, nothing to do with this blog at all. What do you ladies mean when you ask us guys... Do you wear pink?.... I tried asking that question to some of my lady colleagues but they just smiled or giggled but never replied. can anyone pls throw some light to that question. By the way, I do wear pink shirts.

This is what is called cheap behaviour . Pointing out mistakes with the English of someone when he or she has nothing else to say . I mean this is not an English forum . This is a forum to express opinions . So , stick to the point and Gollum , if you want to engage in a war of English , be my guest. Pick me mate . You will fail miserably. I warn you . I have credentials to boot . If not , get the hell out of here .

M: here it is. u dont even know how to put the 'period'. all ur periods are about a space away from the last word. hehehehehehehehehhohohohohohohoh Got u na

What a schlemiel ! I mean when I am at work , am I going to check where I place my periods ? ha ha . You found nothing and you are just frustrated, aren't you ? You are again resorting to mixing Hindi with English . When did na become an English word ? lol .

Dr Spook: I don't know abt other interesting websites, but savita bhabhi was India's first porn graphic novel -- and it was pretty creative let me tell u! I mean, if we can go on and on about what a great work of art the Khajuraho temple carvings are, then, just from the point of view of craftsmanship, savita bhabhi is (modern) online art :) In case u are travelling out of India (not to the Middle East, coz they banned it much before India did!), then do have a look.

Raj: the pink-shirt connection is the gay one, lol! Also, if you wear light purple, u are sending out the 'wrong' signal too!

Kiran: U are absolutely right about perversions in our society. Perversions exist everywhere in the world, but somehow most of us seem to think that because they go against 'Indian culture' (whatever that means), they don't exist. So if a male member of your family is taking sexual liberties with you, most other family members will live in denial -- and not even give you an audience. "Such a thing can never happen with us," they will keep believing, and turning a deaf ear. Worse, even you will feel inhibited. We are fed all this crap about how an Indian mother is XYZ, and an Indian uncle is ABC and Indian women are EFG. We still operate in such straitjackets and miss out on the complexity of human nature.

@Raj...OMG I almost burst out laughing, your wear pink!! Don't you know pink is a totally girl color? If you wear pink as a guy everyone will think you're gay. So stop it, and other girly colors as well. Blue, Black, Grey are more guy colors. What a fashion statement you're making, hehe! To some in here, like gollum or whatever, when they can't deny what we're saying is true, or can't fight back, they will nit pick on useless things like our grammar. Hello, this isn't an English class fool! So just chill, nobody here is judging anyone's writing skills, got it. So pick a valid point pertaining to our discussion and lets carry on, otherwise go and teach in a school. @Shushmita..you're right in what you said. I didn't mean to make my previous post so long but that's just me I guess. My whole point, when giving the example of my mother, uncle, and the newly married couple is that that they all have one thing in commong and that is "S"ual frusteration and trying to supress their natural emotions. Whether it be physical or a genuine liking for someone. I mean what is wrong with young boys or girls who are not blood related to eachother to just be able to talk to eachother. I mean when it comes to loving your parents, sister, relatives its all okay, natural and expected, but if that one special person comes along with who you fall in love and might even marry or maybe not, I don't understand why it becomes a "dirty" thing? That's natural too. Like I said before, its not that there shouldn't be guidelines for "s"ual behavior, but we can only guide our youngsters when we know where we stand and accept that certain things are just normal and inevitable. But Indians want to eliminate those things as well, very foolish indeed, not just difficult but impossible.

@hahaha...or whatever your name is. You're picking on where someone places his periods in a sentence. Well may I ask you, why you are using "ur" instead of your and "u" instead of you. If anyone here needs brushing up on their English skills, it's you.

Kiran, it seems you have never used mobile phones or SMSed. U stand for you, and ur is shortform for your. got it, dumbooooo

Kiran & Sush.: Well, well that clears a lot of things to me especially why i seems to attract the wrong person when i go to any pubs. Till date, i thought it was because of my boyish looks. Bloody hell, i am going to throw that shirt out. And to think that shirt was presented to me by my Girlfriend. Plus, she says that i look cute in pink. Bloody hell, i am going to bash her up tonight. Better still i will force her to wear it. hmmmmm thinking of that, it will really look great on her in fact she will look hot. I told my lady colleague what you ladies told me about wearing pink. And one lady's comment is worth noting: "Raj if you are gay than we all are lesbians". Just goes to show that you cannot judge people on what they wear or eat.

Further Kiran, i never said my english is great. I never make such statements ever. period.

What's the big deal about pink? Pink is generally perceived to be a colour that is for gay men but there are many men here who wear pink or light shades of purple and they are not gay . Hell , I like pink and I have worn shirts that are pink but with stripes . I have also worn lavender T shirts and an American colleague in jest asked me if I was trying to get in touch with my feminine side .I had the last word and he said that he also likes to get in touch with his feminine side. So , there is no freaking thing like a gay colour . The *** used pink as a symbol to differentiate between gays and the others. If you like a colour , do not bother about what others say . Be a man and do the right thing ! lol

ha ha ha or gollum or whatever. If your English is not the best,why are you then picking on Kiran? Are you some kind of a greenhorn ? :)

hmmmm M, you are right. I am going to keep wearing what i like. and if any of those fagots approches me i will smash his face in. But, i think the best is to ask my GF to wear it, GOD she will look wonderful in it. hehehehheheeee

The anagram of "credentials to boot" (M's) is "cottontail bedsore".

gopher: or, "A Scribe Tootled Not"

Wow, you guys might be really cool, aren't you ? I am dumbfounded at your stupidity ( you know who I am talking to )

If a man wears a girlie colored shirt, he is termed gay. But if a girl wears a manly color, she is termed cool, stylish and what not rubbish. And you girls speak about gender-bias. Just goes to prove that you girls are your own greatest enemies and are responsible for creating much of the gender-bias. And than blame us guys for creating notions.

CORRECTION: ..... balme us guys for creating such notions

Well Jose , that is how the world is . For example , if a girl holds the hands of another girl , they can be friends but if a guy holds the hands of another guy ( not that they have to ) , they have to be gay though in India , it is common for many guys to hold hands :) I have seen it especially in some cities though this is more prevalent among the lower middle class and the poor strata of the society The world is an unfair place :)

M: anagram of dumbfounded = odd bun fumed

Shakespeare, I think you have an IQ of 265 or so. What are you even doing on this forum ? ha ha

@Raj...well you can wear whatever you want. However, I have never really thought of colors in terms of gay or straight. Its just a tradional thing, when girls are born they are equated with pink, and blue for boys. When my brother was born my dressed him up in pink and threw a party and everyone at the party was asking if he's a girl. So to me its not necessarily about gay or lesbian. But there are some certain colors that are just more feminine and others masculine, that's all. What M said about guys holdling hands in India, yeah I've heard of that before. Such kind of public friendl behavior in India isn't uncommon, and yet gays and lesbians are not as openly accepted there, whereas here in US views about gays and lesbians are more relaxed, but if two straight guy friends hold hands, everyone looks at them weirdly. Never quite made any sense to me. @Gollum...well who are you calling dumbo? I know while sms'ing you use it in short form, but this isn't sms'ing now is it? Can't you type properly in full words, and yet you're picking on M and me for small things like periods and all that, so stupid just leave and go waste your time somewhere else, since you have nothing else better to say. I guess you're blind also, you asked if I knew u stood for you, well duh, that's what I was asking you, so learn to read properly as well.

@gollum...I was just wondering, why haven't you said one word about the discussion in here? I guess you just came in here to let out your frusterations, whatever those might be, right? So far you haven't put forth any of your thoughts as to what you think about what we're all talking about here. Oops! I forgot to do that you have to have a brain which you don't, so how could you express yourself, except just plain garbage coming from you. (unless you just logged in with a different name)

anagram frusterations : use it for rants

"By blocking Savita Bhabhi, we have just proved that we, as a nation, are such imbeciles that we do not know where to draw the line". How the heck can you assume that banning SB has public support ? Just because some bunch of nitwit politicians with no work decide to ban it and that most people dont give a rats posterior for that decision,we become imbeciles ?! Ms Bose - Our freedoms and liberties arent going to evaporate simply because a 3rd rate porn site gets shut down.I think there are a billion issues more worth our while.For example how about discussing the the Land acquisition act - isnt that a much more important issue that erodes our fundamental rights (although it happens far far-away in Jhumri Talaiyya)? And what about those people who do believe that SB *is* an affront to our culture ? By your vacuous assertions here,you clearly dont give 2 hoots for their views either.Talk about hypocrisy ! And sheer intellectual bankruptcy !!

I agree with DVader. On the positive side, I like your easy style Sushmita, and find it interesting how you manage to provoke response from so many people. On the negative side, the issues you identify for reflection tend to gravitate around middle-class attitudes to gender-identity. Can't you cast your net wider and move towards issues which will attract more serious comments, and less opinion and abuse?

DVader, Jivi: I am completely in synch with your comments and really appreciate the inputs. Your comments bring a much needed wave of intelligence into a debate that was hijacked by two egotistical people indulge in verbal diarrohea but actually say nothing of interest. Great job DVader and Jivi in expressing yourselves so well and so succintly.

Jivi , Bharat - I liked the way you both expressed your views. I have been following this blog from day one, and have found that lately because of 2-3 people, this blog has become a platform to abuse others and their feelings. Comments from people like you, who only write, and donot impose their thoughts, would make this blog more interesting. @ Sushmita , can we expect, some interesting story from you sunday.

"Our cultural values are not so fragile that can get hampered by a TV show..." was quoted by the honorable Delhi High Court judge while turning down the plea to ban the 'famous' TV show "Sach Ka Saamna". I guess it sums up the entire discussion in this blog (off-course sans the personal rivalries :)

This is addressed to you guys; Jivi , Dvader The fact that responses are evoked does not mean that the writer is top notch . I am not belittling Sushmita . Make no mistake . She does write well but the reason why there are quite a few responses is because she brings up controversial topics. Why are you guys asking her to cast her net wider? Why can't you guys write instead of criticizing her ? Pawandeep, By the way, when you were talking about 2-3 people , I hope you did not include me because I never tried to impose my opinion on anybody . I just stated my opinion and so did Dvader for example . He implied that Sushmita was vacuous . Yet, you ignore that . So , just because you like what someone else says , does not mean that the others ( whose comments you do not like ) are trying to impose their opinion on you . You are one of those guys who think that the law should not be changed for gays so that they can still be punished for their acts. I think that kind of thinking has no place in today's world . That does not mean I am imposing my views on you . Wake up for God's sake

plese i am a majore update savitabhabhi wbsite to my email-ID. Soooon.

Ms. Bose, I can't agree with you more when you write " If we actually start believing that savitabhabhi.com can deal a body blow to our culture, we don't even have the right to say we have a strong culture." but I wonder how do you know that the site was banned coz. " because it "misrepresents" Indian culture" To the best of my knowledge there has been no explanation( or even a simple confirmation that the site has indeed been banned) by any govt. official/agency/ministry. Or is that you are trying to guess? You may be right but I wonder if it had anything to do with the last episode in which an undercover security/police official sought (and got) her help to entrap a dreaded gangster? I think given the situation today Indian authorities are concerned more about the image of our security(?) apparatus/agencies rather than our culture. In their own wisdom they could not even spare poor SB when she was seen as instrument to malign our brave/valiant security guys.

This is to jivi, dvader and some others. You told Sushmita to cast her net wider. I only came across the site recently, but from what I have seen, sushmita has written on many different topics, so I don't understand what you all mean by casting her net wider. How much more broader do you all want her to get? Sounds to me as if you all want her to only talk about your favorite subjects or topics otherwise you have to criticize her. Just because sushmita recently posted a few "touchy issues" which sparked some serious debates in here, why do you all think that some people here were trying to impose their views. Unless some of the comments in here did make you all think, but for the sake of not wanting to admit it and change, you become defensive. To jivi especially, you want sushmita to talk only about issues that won't encourage people to state their opinions, and at times some harsh words do get exchanged in the process. It sounds to me like a you're programmed robot, as humans having opinions is a natural thing, afterall that's what God has given us brains for. If people are going to get together to discuss on a forum like this, what is the point if other people's insights are not welcomed. If you all want to just read, I suggest you all get a nice big fat novel to read for a rainy day and that's the end of it, why even come here and talk. Since some of you can't really express yourselves or don't have enough general knowledge to do so, you feel intimidated by some of us, as you say have dominated the forums lately right? I'm pretty sure of those 2-3 people I'm one of them and am least bothered about it and could careless. If I've got something to say I'll say it, knowing very well, that people won't change.

Just another point I missed. I think sushimta writes very well, and does at times draw controversy because of some of the subjects at hand, only because I think she is a thinking person. My husband always says, bengalis are very intelligent people and I have heard many comments such as "man do bengalis have brain power", I should know because I'm married to one, my husband is bengali, and we both often sit in the evenings at the end of a day and have some serious discussion on various topics, such as world affairs, philosophy, economics and finance, societal issues you name it. So its only natural for intellectually charged people like sushmita,myself and M, to really be outspoken as compared to some of the more dull ones around here. Now I won't say who those are, I'm sure they know who they are. They are like some kind of robots who are programmed to run a uniform software of some kind, otherwise they go haywire, since they are programmed with such a narrow field of knowledge and can only work within those paramaters. I think that is the bottom line to some of the complaints and whining in here.

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@Kiran, if what you said is true that you and your husband sits and talk on various issues in the evening, that i really feel pity for ur hubby dear, considering your such an opinioned person and that too with a rashness in your words. Did not mean to belittle but just said this in a lighter mood

Kiran: I have followed this blog the last few weeks but never commented until now. Your assertion that Sushmita, M and you are the intellectually charged ones here and others are dull simply shows the abysmal depths of your own ignorance. Sushmita is no intellectual - her lopsided views expressed in her silly outbursts here provide ample evidence of that. But she is atleast polite and seems to listen to others (sometimes).

You and M on the other hand are the 2 most obnoxious people on this blog. You don't respect any opinion that differs from your own and both of you keep arguing your points with every increasing shrillness until the other side just decides to keep quiet and save their sanity than respond to your stupid comments. Read my lips when I say this: You are the biggest idiot here.

Sarkar, Who gave you the idea that I do not respect anyone's opinion? I argue about what I feel I should argue . I have a problem with people who have a problem with gays being allowed to live their lives. However, if you want to rave and rant about Kiran and me or anyone else , be my guest. I cannot change who you are . For that, I will have to replace your genes:)

M: Ask anyone here: your posts give a *very* clear idea of the kind of person you are. You try to shove your opinion down everyones throats and never miss an opportunity to state how intelligent or well travelled you are (hinting somehow that the rest of us are not at your lofty level). Get off your high horse and recognize that there could be people here who have much higher credentials than yours. Dont assume you are the smartest person or the one with the *right* opinion. The world is diverse and everyone has a different opinion. It does not mean they are less intellectual than you. Grow up and learn to be humble and accepting of others.

I never said anyone else here was not as intellectual as me . By the way , I talked about being well travelled because I had for instance more experience to talk about white people than many here who praised white men without even dating one . I did talk about my intelligence when people attacked me for my opinion or rather questioned my intelligence . I never asked anyone to accept my opinion . If you felt that way , that is not my problem . Like I said; I cannot fiddle with your genes. :) You can live in your own world of illusions.

By the way Sarkar, it is your burden to prove that you have better credentials than me not that I said that. Since you took it upon yourself, why don't you try? ha ha What a schlemiel!

@Raj and Sarkar, if you think sushimta's views are lopsided or whatever and don't like what she says, then why do you guys even bother coming here. I don't remember you guys saying much until now, which again just proves what I said earlier. I didn't mention any names but looks like you guys knew you were the "dull" ones around here. Even without pointing a finger directly, you guys got the message. As far as my opinions are concerned, you don't need to feel sorry for my husband, he's also like me and we both think EXACTLY ALIKE! We just talk about it calmly and don't need to go at eachother's throats, otherwise we wouldn't be married. But that won't make sense to you Raj, since guys like you only like women who will agree with their husbands word for word without thinking and voicing their own opinions. On the contrary I feel sorry for you Raj, haven't you heard the saying "two heads are better than one". My belief is only people with a good solid background of knowledge can talk so much, if a person doesn't know anything what will they talk?? I guess that applies to you guys like sarkar and raj, and you said I have rashness, well I never mentioned any names, but what did you guys just do. So called "polite peopel". Makes no differecne to me what average intelligence people like you think.

@Raj and sarkar. Just a few more things. The way you guys reacted to my comments, it doesn't surprise me in the least bit. As a matter of fact, its very normal behaviour for Indians. Indians are not so used to thinking for themselves and deciding what is right or wrong, good or bad. India is a very collectivist society compared to the west, where people are not allowed to, or society does not permit one to be an individual of their own with their own identity. Indians are used to from early on in life, having all their thinking done for them by their parents and society at large, and if one decides to go against this norm, they are deemed as you guys say obnoxious, rebellious, or whatever. The way I talk of course its going to sound rash to you, because as I said earlier the only reason why my comments must have gotten to you guys, because somewhere what I said must have jump started your brains and given you guys a real shock, so that's the reaction I'm now getting. Its like a jump starting a car with a dead battery, when it finally starts to run "you're like oh man" so maybe for the first time in your lives your brains must have received a real shock and you both just couldn't handle it. Believe me when I say, there's nothing wrong and its a great thing. I guess that's the reason you took mine and some other's people's opinions here and thought they were imposing them on others, like M said if you guys that, that's your problem. As it is Indians are used to having things imposed on them all their lives. Just look at what we were discussing here, Indians have been told that porno and other things realated to sexual behavior is wrong. A few people at the top are trying to dictate and impose their ideas on the entire population, what will you guys call that? Isn't that imposing their opinions on everyone else. Why don't you say something to that? We're just talking about it not putting any of our words into action.

I agree with sarkar's assessment of M. This person seems to think he knows more than any one in India because he lives abroad. I have been deeply shocked by some of his comments. I have just one question for him: would he DARE to make the same comments in a German blog? Using some of the words he has used in Sushmita's blog, and attacking people as he does IS A CRIME in Germany for which he would have to pay heavily or even be deported. I am sure he is the kind of person who swaggers among Indians and cringes among Germans.

I agree with sarkar's assessment of M. This person seems to think he knows more than any one in India because he lives abroad. I have been deeply shocked by some of his comments. I have just one question for him: would he DARE to make the same comments in a German blog? Using some of the words he has used in Sushmita's blog, and attacking people as he does IS A CRIME in Germany for which he would have to pay heavily or even be deported. I am sure he is the kind of person who swaggers among Indians and cringes among Germans.

@Kiran - I believe in reasoning issues through not in pouring out often self-contradictory opinions. I don't present my views to you and M because one can reason only with those who are willing to reason, not with those who assert opinion, and use vulgar terms on other human beings who may disagree. Courtesy is the hall-mark of a civilised mind.

@Jivi..would you mind telling me where I used vulgar terms. As far as your views are concerned, as far as this topic is concerned, I don't remember you posting your "views". Yes I also feel exactly the same way about you "one can only reason with a reasonable person". Not someone who is not willing to be more broadminded. Why do you assume that just because, my tone of stating my opinions is different from yours, you think that I'm an unreasonable person. Just because you and a few others couldn't make yourselves be heard, you label me as being unreasonable. I suggest you take your own advice and look at yourself before you go around passing judgement. That's what I was getting at, when you and dvader were asking sushmita to cast her net wider. I don't see you guys writing for this blog. She's got the intelligence and drive to do so, so you and some others have to criticize her. This isn't the first time you have said I'm self contradictory. Please do state what you think I'm saying is so contradictory, because I sure don't have a clue. You say courtesy is the hall mark of a civilized mind. Now! don't we sound like somone here who is again passing judgement or giving their opinions. Then you guys say you're civilized calling some of us vulgar. Jivi I hate to say it, but you aren't normal. Read what I wrote, as humans we have opinions, and if some of us sound more right than others, or you think we do, then we probably are. You couldn't fight what I said so, you just have to take the easy way out. Now if I had agreed with the majority and just quietely said yes to everything, then you all would think "oh kiran is such a nice person". That's so typcial of indian mentality, say what everyone wants to hear or the standard age old stuff its okay, otherwise labels, like rash, vulgar, rude or whatever come out. Jivi here is another thing for you as far as civilized minds are concerned. A real civilized mind is one that thinks on its own and decides what is right and wrong, and being your own person with your own identity, not going along with the buffalo herd, without a second thought. Got it. To Shakespeare. I totally disagree with you, I don't think M thinks he knows more because he's living in Germany. Where did you get that one. That is just your own complex talking. Nobody here, and myself included thinks we know more just because we don't live in India. So just stop presumming things.

If some of you don't have anything to say to this particular article, then I would suggest you go and read sushmita's latest article on "friends and family". That should be a really nice and straight forward article for some of you to comment on. Without too many opinions, and I doubt you will get caught there in the crossfire, since some of you like to play it safe. You won't have to use your brains too much there. Her previous post wasn't that bad either, but seems like some of you only come here to change some of our minds only to get your fingers burnt. I wonder why some people here even bother messing with us in the first place. Otherwise happy living being brainwashed and trusting only time tested things.

@Jivi...come to think of it, you never post your views, rather you like to pass your opinions on what others think. By the way, when posting views, you don't post to me, its not my blog is it now? Since you said you don't like to present your views to me. So don't be afraid and go ahead and post. Well you don't have anything to say now do you.

@Sushmita..I know you write on many different things. But I guess some people in here want more "safe" things to talk and comment on, whatever that means, because I sure don't have a clue. I guess they must mean things like how to cure the common cold, or excercise, yoga and meditation. For all all I can think, what is it that you can write about that won't draw opinions for and against, to me that is humanly impossible. I guess I'm sounding more sarcastic than serious, but just something to think about to make some poor souls in here happy. They are feeling a little left out, hehehe.

Thanks Kiran for your support. I know that some nasty people here might read more into it . ha ha . Shakespeare or Sarkar or whatever name you as a troll have. Maybe, there are people who think that they know more because they live abroad. I am not one of them because I was also raised abroad . I am not an Indian guy who lived all his life in India and then suddenly moved abroad . I am very outspoken with Germans too if I have to be . I have already had my share of tiffs with Germans here and they all then know how to behave. You know what is the problem with whites ? They think that if you are too nice , you are weak and you are being nice to hide your weakness. In India , however , we are taught to be nice with people . The problem is that many whites think Indians are kind of submissive and there are many Indians here who do cringe before whites. Not me and for that , I am very respected. No one messes with me and as a matter of fact, everyone here tells me that I am not Indian .I am not proud of that and it is sad but they say so because I drink , eat all kinds of meat, talk openly about sex , am very competitive and assertive when I have to be . Hell, I have a German boss and the way I talk to him when he talks stupid stuff made people who sit next to me say that people like me can either make it to the top or rot at the bottom because of the way I deal with even my boss. I also think that the whites here who think Indians are not assertive et al are kind of ignorant but that is the kind of image Indians have abroad . That they are non confrontational and that they take shit . I know it is so common in India to bash NRIs because it is a favourite pastime . I am not saying all NRIs are nice. There are many who think they are above all people who live in India but that is just not me . So , why don’t you guys take a hike ? By the way , what vulgarity did Kiran or me use ? I mean at the most I reacted to people attacking me . I used the word schlemiel for instance. How come you forgot who started the personal attacks ? It is there for you all to see. Proof . Why go elsewhere . When did that become vulgar you nitwit ? Yes, nitwit .

One more thing I forgot to address; Stop threatening with fines or whatever in Germany . I know the rules in Germany. You should visit German blogs first to understand. . So , please take a hike .

@M..you're welcome. What shakespeare said about you is only because that's what he himself is like. If he was among the whites he'd lick their asses, not because he is nice, but because he is weak. Sorry to say but the kind of image indians have created for themselves abroad is not a very good one. Not because whites are necessarily racist, but because their attitudes suck. I'm Indian and I myself can't stand to look at their faces. People like jivi, shakespeare or whatever say that nice people don't open their mouths. Well if being nice means, being submissive, letting peole walk all over you, so that they get a false sense of how powerful they are and feel all good about themselves, then I'd rather not. As a matter of fact when it comes to such people, you bet I'll be the first one in line to bring such people back to their senses, and show them their true postion. All one has to do is look at India's history, every freaking idiot has attacked the country and what did Indians do, just stand and watch. What because they were "nice"? No because they were weak and most importantly of all not united. People like shakespeare and jivi, will not open their mouths in front of whites, but when it comes to their fellow indians they will take out all their frusterations. I don't recall any of these people even putting their inputs on this blog, all they did was criticize on what others were saying. These people remind me of my mother. For example, if she use to call the doctor's office and not get an appointment or doctor of her choice, she would then hang up and say its racism, since the receptionist could make out her indian accent. Then she'd make me call after a few minutes, and I've got pure Canadain English, and lo and behold I'd get the same answer. Indians just imagine too much stuff that isn't true, and just take so many things personally, and think everyone is out to get them. Another example, jivi and all talk about being nice and civilized. Let me tell you how your indian brothers and sister behave here. The indians who come here as adults, majority of them have no manners. Like if I go an English movie theatre, they will behave themselves and not litter in between the seats. If I go to an hindi movie, they will whistle, take of their shoes and put their feets on the seat in front, pass comments at girls, and talk rudely, I live in a city where a majority of Indians are educated. That just shows how frusterated they are. So I stopped going to hindi movies and just watch dvds. My husband, he's an engineer, and man does he have horror stories of indians and their work ethics and coinceedently my husband's boss is also from Germany and resepects my husband because of his assertiveness and work ethics. One of my husband's co-workers, who's from India, came to US for 9 months with his wife and child, and stiffened the company out of $60,000 plus dollars! He kept on delibrately delaying his work just so he could earn more dollars, and then even lied about his work. He did nothing all those 9 months and kept passing on false reports. Everything was paid for by the company and they use to get a new car every month with GPS, and his wife use to remind him to do it. Poor village girl hasn't seen the good life before. When he was finally found out, my husband's boss actually asked my husband to his face "is this how indians behave"?. He wasn't mad at my husband it wasn't his fault but since he holds my husband in high esteem he trusted him enough to give an honest opinion, and of course he said "yes". If I was the person in charge of such decisions in a company I would never give these Indians a promotion. They won't cut their hair, wear tattered clothes, and their attitudes suck, and only take their salaries without putting in the extra effort to reach the top. Then they say whites are their enemies, but won't admit to their own flaws and shortcomings. My husband and I have never received any racist comments, and as a matter of fact whites respect us because of our attitude, why? One time one white guy at a party kept on pestering my husband because he couldn't believe he had a wife like me, all evening he kept telling him how lucky he was since I don't look Indian and know how to carry myself. When indians bash NRIs its because they have a complex, and not because we are high headed and if they think we are, its all in their minds and are imagining it.

Just another quick example, for some of you who think people M, or myself think to much of ourselves just because we are abroad. My husband's boss is German, and his wife works with expectant mothers. When I was expecting my daughter, my husband's boss's wife, who doesn't even need to work for money, was in the hospital with me at 3am wiping my face as I was throwing up. So who was making who dance to their tunes here, huh? She use to come to my house even before the weeks my daughter was born only because she and her husband liked us. So to some of you indians in here who think that all indians wag their tails in front of whites think again. Whites may be flawed in many areas, but one area they are better at than Indians, is at least they are honest. They will like you if you are up to the mark, have a good attitude and personality. Whites don't necessarily hate indians because of their brown skin, but their thinking is a real put off for many people, including myself who is Indian herself. People like shakespeare or whatever, when I came to India, relatives and people were all over me in the locality, and they were shocked that I was so down to earth only because of my attitude. I never tried to show anyone down only because I was from abroad. Sadly its people like shakespeare who if given the chance to come abroad will go back to India and try to show off, since the whites don't give a shit about people like him here. How can you expect whites to like you when you guys hate your own fellow indians, because of your corrupted schizoprenic thinking. Its all in your minds, that everyone is out to get you guys. You won't learn good things from people like M and myself but will go out of your way and people like jivi to call us "uncivilized".

Replay Kiran Quote "...I live in a city where a majority of Indians are educated. That just shows how frusterated they are..."

^^^To the person above. Would you mind telling me why you quoted that particular line from my post. "Ban education", is that what your personal views are as well as anything related to sex. If that above quote sounds confusing, let me clarify and word it properly. I expect indians with an education, that to who live abroad to display better behavior, or as some here say, be more "civilized". Such behavior in public is truly disgusting I would say, that's all. I think this person above was trying to imply that I meant indians are frusterated because they are educated, truly stupid. (To the person above, I'm sure you're just one of the people in here already with another name). I guess you're afraid to come out in the open, hehehe. "Ban education" how stupid!

^^^Oh "ban edcuation" very nice try to make humor out of my quote by trying to twist the words, but just because I didn't word myself clearly, you should have been smart enough to understand that no one makes such dumb statements. If I didn't believe pornography should be banned like hell I'll believe education should be. So bonehead, go and learn how to read English properly or at least be alert enough to read between the lines. But nonetheless you get points for trying. The good side of it is that you read my posts carefully and seriously, GOOD!!. Be honest which of the losers from above are you? Gollum, dvader, shakespeare, raj??

@ban education, how come you only partially took my sentence and tried to make it sound something it wasn't and modify what I was saying incorrectly? Or did you not read about the "uncivilized" behaviour, your indian brothers and sisters display in public? How desperate you are to show me down. You just proved that indians can never be reformed. Resorting to cheap tactics such as this one, when you couldn't take me head on, you try to back stab.That just shows how "right" I am, that some people in here couldn't stand to see someone who stands by what they say. Not my fault that some people in here can't defend what they say and I come out sounding more "right".

@Kiran: hahahhahhahahahhohohohohohohohhehhehehehehehe blurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrb to all your rubbish that you wrote targeting me and sarkar. Yeah, yeah i know you are going to write another long essay to this reply too. pls be my guest, awaiting with batted eyes to read those lines

hi savithabhabhi

"When he was finally found out, my husband's boss actually asked my husband to his face "is this how indians behave ?....... and of course he said "yes"."......Every year, hundreds of Germans tourists come to places like Goa and engage in unruly drunken behaviour, religious insults, and even paedophily.......What should I say ?..."Is this how Germans behave ?"